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<DIV>While Seeing A.I. is an excellent app for figuring out various things,
nothing beats the Envision America’s ID Mate. When I get groceries in and am
putting them away it is near impossible to get any phone app like Seeing A.I. or
Digit Eyes to recognize the bar code on a rounded or other weirdly shaped
surface. The ID Mate quickly picks up the code and can tell me what a product is
provided its in the database. </DIV>
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<DIV>For difficult cases, I too will use the short text channel in Seeing A.I.
to try and read the label to figure out what an product is and then I’ll go back
to the IDMate and add it to the database and upload it to the server. </DIV>
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<DIV>Given the price on the Orcam, I think a person could go out and buy a new
Iphone & and ID Mate (whatever the current model is) for half the price of
the Orcam, excluding the cost of monthly phone service. </DIV>
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<DIV>Just saying --</DIV>
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<DIV>Eileen</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=njtechdiv@nfbnet.org>Jane
Degenshein via Njtechdiv</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:25 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=njtechdiv@nfbnet.org>New Jersey Technology Division
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jdegen16@comcast.net>Jane Degenshein</A> ; <A
title=electronics-talk@nfbnet.org>Discussion of accessible home electronics and
appliances</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Njtechdiv] Orcam</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>I agree with you Andy as I use seeing ai even
more than the KNFB reader</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>It is quick and the product recognition is quite good but
sometimes, I use short text for cans, bottles, or other info I need
fast</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>woo hoo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=njtechdiv@nfbnet.org>Andy
via Njtechdiv</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:18 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=njtechdiv@nfbnet.org>New Jersey Technology Division
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=guitarwizandy@optonline.net>Andy</A> ; <A
title=electronics-talk@nfbnet.org>Discussion of accessible home electronics and
appliances</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Njtechdiv] Orcam</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Tracy, how does this differ from SeeingAI? SeeingAI seems to be able
to do most of this. For instance, you can use its "Document" mode to read
a menu, or perhaps the "Short Text" mode could be useful for this as well if you
needed something specific. I've used "Short Text," for instance, to read
serial numbers, etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>Similarly, there's also a "Person" mode, and "Color," etc. It's also
worth noting that SeeingAI is free for Android and iPhone users.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 27, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via Njtechdiv
<<A>njtechdiv@nfbnet.org</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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saw the Orcam yesterday. It was pretty nice.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Hold
2 fingers together, and that’s about the length and width of the camera.
There used to be an extra processor, but now it’s all in the
camera.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It
attaches to a magnet that can clip onto any pair of glasses, on either side,
depending on which hand is dominant. There’s a ridge that runs along the
back of the camera that controls volume, and gives access to a menu that
controls other settings. The camera can also synch with Bluetooth
headphones.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You
point at the thing you want the camera to read, and hold up your hand flat to
pause it. It read pretty well. I had it read a very complicated
menu. It got a lot of one side, and not much of the other, but there was
a lot of curly script and stuff on that side. It read the shiny brochure
the demonstrator had very well.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The
demo person said it can read labels, price tags, signs … whatever. We
didn’t have most of those things to try. It read a box well. A
can, not so much. She said products we use often can be stored in
memory, so it recognizes them quickly. She also said, if you were in a
grocery aisle looking at products, and it saw one that’s in its memory, it
would say it, and you could move around until you actually found
it.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There’s
2 versions of the Orcam. They both do all the things I just
said.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The
fancier one, the Eye, also does color recognition. That was pretty slow,
compared to my Rainbow color detector.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It
also recognizes faces. It always recognized the demonstrator, and would
tell me when I looked in her direction. We taught it to recognize Jerry,
but it didn’t recognize him so much. There’s a trick to teaching it, so
maybe I did it wrong. But, even when it didn’t recognize him, it would
say “There’s a man in front of you.”<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">One
or both models also read bar codes, but you have to point right at it, and
that’s just not happening.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The
one that is mostly for reading is $3500, and the Eye that does it all is
$4500.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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