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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='WORD-WRAP: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We love the IDMate, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Orcam also read a screen. Not sure whether or not Seeing AI does that. I can think of plenty of times being able to read text on a screen would be handy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tracy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Njtechdiv [mailto:njtechdiv-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eileen Scrivani via Njtechdiv<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> New Jersey Technology Division List<br><b>Cc:</b> Eileen Scrivani<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Njtechdiv] Orcam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>While Seeing A.I. is an excellent app for figuring out various things, nothing beats the Envision America’s ID Mate. When I get groceries in and am putting them away it is near impossible to get any phone app like Seeing A.I. or Digit Eyes to recognize the bar code on a rounded or other weirdly shaped surface. The ID Mate quickly picks up the code and can tell me what a product is provided its in the database. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>For difficult cases, I too will use the short text channel in Seeing A.I. to try and read the label to figure out what an product is and then I’ll go back to the IDMate and add it to the database and upload it to the server. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Given the price on the Orcam, I think a person could go out and buy a new Iphone & and ID Mate (whatever the current model is) for half the price of the Orcam, excluding the cost of monthly phone service. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Just saying --<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Eileen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Jane Degenshein via Njtechdiv <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:25 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> New Jersey Technology Division List <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Jane Degenshein ; Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [Njtechdiv] Orcam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I agree with you Andy as I use seeing ai even more than the KNFB reader</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It is quick and the product recognition is quite good but sometimes, I use short text for cans, bottles, or other info I need fast</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>woo hoo</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Andy via Njtechdiv <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> New Jersey Technology Division List <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Andy ; Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [Njtechdiv] Orcam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tracy, how does this differ from SeeingAI? SeeingAI seems to be able to do most of this. For instance, you can use its "Document" mode to read a menu, or perhaps the "Short Text" mode could be useful for this as well if you needed something specific. I've used "Short Text," for instance, to read serial numbers, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Similarly, there's also a "Person" mode, and "Color," etc. It's also worth noting that SeeingAI is free for Android and iPhone users.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Oct 27, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via Njtechdiv <njtechdiv@nfbnet.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I saw the Orcam yesterday. It was pretty nice.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hold 2 fingers together, and that’s about the length and width of the camera. There used to be an extra processor, but now it’s all in the camera.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It attaches to a magnet that can clip onto any pair of glasses, on either side, depending on which hand is dominant. There’s a ridge that runs along the back of the camera that controls volume, and gives access to a menu that controls other settings. The camera can also synch with Bluetooth headphones.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You point at the thing you want the camera to read, and hold up your hand flat to pause it. It read pretty well. I had it read a very complicated menu. It got a lot of one side, and not much of the other, but there was a lot of curly script and stuff on that side. It read the shiny brochure the demonstrator had very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The demo person said it can read labels, price tags, signs … whatever. We didn’t have most of those things to try. It read a box well. A can, not so much. She said products we use often can be stored in memory, so it recognizes them quickly. She also said, if you were in a grocery aisle looking at products, and it saw one that’s in its memory, it would say it, and you could move around until you actually found it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There’s 2 versions of the Orcam. They both do all the things I just said.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The fancier one, the Eye, also does color recognition. That was pretty slow, compared to my Rainbow color detector.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It also recognizes faces. It always recognized the demonstrator, and would tell me when I looked in her direction. We taught it to recognize Jerry, but it didn’t recognize him so much. There’s a trick to teaching it, so maybe I did it wrong. But, even when it didn’t recognize him, it would say “There’s a man in front of you.”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>One or both models also read bar codes, but you have to point right at it, and that’s just not happening.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The one that is mostly for reading is $3500, and the Eye that does it all is $4500.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tracy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Njtechdiv mailing list<br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Njtechdiv@nfbnet.org</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Njtechdiv:<br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org/guitarwizandy%40optonline.net"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org/guitarwizandy%40optonline.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Njtechdiv mailing list<br>Njtechdiv@nfbnet.org<br>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org<br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Njtechdiv:<br>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org/jdegen16%40comcast.net<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Njtechdiv mailing list<br>Njtechdiv@nfbnet.org<br>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org<br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Njtechdiv:<br>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org/etscrivani%40verizon.net<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>