[nobe-l] {Spam?} Re: questions about observing studens

Wed Sep 19 19:53:07 UTC 2012

Thanks guys,
I guess what I'm worried about is what triggered the behavior that I
can't see, or how would I know a student was doing something like
something visual hat I can't see.  There isn't always someone in the
room to see those things, or won't be when I'm in student teaching in
a few weeks, because a lot of times I'll be working with a small group
on my own.

Also, what do you do if a student does start throwing things? That is
a concern of my teachers, and I don't know how to respond.
 Also, back to the graphing topic: How do you get the line graphs to
be read by JAWS?  I need to be able to do that, and I might be able o
click on the line graphing option in excel, but jaws won't read the
graph. Is that possible? I'm completely new at this, and would
appreciate any help anybody can give.

Thanks a lot!
Jenna Karg
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>> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:10:27 -0700
>> From: Michelle Creedy <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
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>> Hi Melissa
>>
>> Thanks so much for the suggestions! Tell me more about the BRF files?
>> Can you actually read equations with them? What notetaker do you use?
>> I'm just in the market for one. I don't really want to clutter the
>> list with asking about the various notetakers but feel free to write
>> me off list at
>> michelle.creedy at gmail.com
>> and then you can maybe tell me the make of the one you are using and
>> so on. I've had some recommended to me.
>>
>> Michelle
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>>
>> On 9/15/12, melissa R green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> I am currently taking a math class for teachers.  This is the second
>>> class
>>> that I have taken.  The disability student office hired a transcriber
>>> and
>>> had the homework assignments brailled for me.  Then they gave me a copy
>>> of
>>> the book on cd, which I have put on my hardrive and converted into brf
>>> files.  I also take my own notes as well as use a notetaker.  This works
>>> for
>>>
>>> me because things are so visual and I am trying to catch up as well as
>>> pay
>>> attention to the concept being taught.  Good luck, hope that these
>>> suggestions will give you some ideas.
>>>
>>> Have a blessed day.
>>> Many Blessings, Warmly,
>>> Melissa and Pj
>>> I never change, I simply become more myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michelle Creedy" <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:02 PM
>>> Subject: [nobe-l] Questions from a Perspective Teacher
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>>>
>>> Hello List
>>>
>>> My name is Michelle and I live in British Columbia Canada. I've
>>> finally decided to take the plunge and do what it takes to become a
>>> teacher of blind students. Fear has been holding me back for some time
>>> however I've had a wonderful boost in my attitudes and skills around
>>> blindness over the past year so some of the fears are no longer even
>>> worth pondering. I've been trying to figure out my path for some time
>>> now and after having some wonderful experiences volunteering this
>>> summer at an intensive for blind students I've decided this is the
>>> time!
>>>
>>> My focus will be elementary school aged children and I need to take a
>>> course called Math for Elementary School Teachers as part of the
>>> pre-requisits for the Teacher Education program. The thought of taking
>>> math courses scares the living daylights out of me because I was
>>> terrible in math at school but here we go. Braille is my primary
>>> medium especially when it comes to math and I'm wondering whether
>>> anyone has good suggestions on how I might either get the book
>>> transcribed or even get it in a form of E-Braille that is actually
>>> interpreted properly by my braille display.
>>>
>>> I'm also wondering if there are any of you who teach in the Washington
>>> or Portland areas? It would be wonderful to connect with someone who
>>> has actually done this successfully. At this point, I'm not as
>>> concerned about talking to someone who is a teacher of blind students
>>> as what I am with talking to someone who is in a classroom teaching
>>> sighted students. This is what I'll have to do in my practicum and
>>> teacher training and I know they will ask me a ton of questions as to
>>> how I'll accomplish particular tasks. I plan to start volunteering in
>>> the elementary school system as soon as possible again.
>>>
>>> I'm sure excited to have found this list! Hope you don't mind lots and
>>> lots of questions because trust me, I have many!
>>>
>>> Michelle
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>> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:16:40 -0400
>> From: Jenna and Bilko <lilstarlet09 at gmail.com>
>> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nobe-l] Graphing programs, or ways o graph test results?
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>> Hi all,
>> I don't write often, although that's about to change.  I am a senior
>> at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, and will be graduating with
>> a Degree in Special education in May.  I have been asked recently how
>> I will do testing for my sighted students in tests such as AimsWeb or
>> Dibels, and how I will graph results.  Does anybody have any ideas on
>> how to do this?  Are there graphing programs that work with jaws?
>> Thanks,
>> Jenna Karg
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>> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:21:13 -0700
>> From: Denise Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Graphing programs, or ways o graph test results?
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>> You will have a Braille copy to follow from from something like dibles
>> You can graph using excel
>> Or just word  and jaws works with all this
>>
>>
>> Denise M Robinson
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Jenna and Bilko <lilstarlet09 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> I don't write often, although that's about to change.  I am a senior
>>> at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, and will be graduating with
>>> a Degree in Special education in May.  I have been asked recently how
>>> I will do testing for my sighted students in tests such as AimsWeb or
>>> Dibels, and how I will graph results.  Does anybody have any ideas on
>>> how to do this?  Are there graphing programs that work with jaws?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jenna Karg
>>> --
>>> Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko
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> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:10:12 -0400
> From: Jenna and Bilko <lilstarlet09 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [nobe-l] questions about observing students.
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> Hi all,
> I was wondering if  anybody has any ideas on how I would observe
> student behaviors, and the triggers for them? Like why a student
> "randomly" starts throwing things across the room and such.  I was
> thinking of having a classroom teacher observe, or a Para
> Professional, but that isn't always an option.  I don't know how I am
> going to do this since a lot of the triggers are things I need to see,
> as well as the behavior may be visual as well. Feel free to email me
> off list at
> jkarg at falcon.bgsu.edu
> Thankyou for any advice! I really appreciate it!
> Jenna Karg
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> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:23 -0700
> From: Michelle Creedy <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
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> Hi Jenna
>
> Do you know if the students concerned are ones who often engage in the
> behaviors you are trying to avoid? If so, can you give them some
> specific positive tasks to do like teachers who ask a child to be the
> special helper for the day? I'm wondering if the behavior is
> attention-seeking and in this way, they will be getting attention for
> the positive rather than for the negative.
>
> Also, can you have a conversation with the student and say that you
> have noticed them doing such and such and see if they can tell you a
> little more about the reasons behind it? I've done this quite
> successfully and if it is done in a non-judgmental way it can work.
> All depends though because sometimes what you are dealing with is an
> actual behavioral matter that can be somewhat neurologically based and
> therefore not as controlable by the student.
>
> I guess I'm always wondering why people do things. They may not know
> but you might be able to determine by when it happens that it is at a
> certain point in the day or during a particular subject.
>
> Just some thoughts. Hope they are helpful and hope people post more on
> the list about it.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On 9/18/12, Jenna and Bilko <lilstarlet09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I was wondering if  anybody has any ideas on how I would observe
>> student behaviors, and the triggers for them? Like why a student
>> "randomly" starts throwing things across the room and such.  I was
>> thinking of having a classroom teacher observe, or a Para
>> Professional, but that isn't always an option.  I don't know how I am
>> going to do this since a lot of the triggers are things I need to see,
>> as well as the behavior may be visual as well. Feel free to email me
>> off list at
>> jkarg at falcon.bgsu.edu
>> Thankyou for any advice! I really appreciate it!
>> Jenna Karg
>> --
>> Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:45:59 -0700
> From: Denise Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com>
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> 	<nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] questions about observing students.
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> Behaviors typically occur because a child is frustrated and they don't or
> can't clearly understand what is occurring so they have " behaviors"
> Can't see it, or can't do it or someone just said something mean to them
> like 'blindy' and so on
>
> What u can do is ask for the work the child was working on when the behavior
> occurred and replay the event at home ....u will see the issue fairly easily
>
>
> Another issue...some kids can't take a lot of additional surrounding noise
> when trying to work...ask about that too...child and teacher or other adult
> in room and I would ask a couple different people...everyone sees something
> different
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Jenna and Bilko <lilstarlet09 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I was wondering if  anybody has any ideas on how I would observe
>> student behaviors, and the triggers for them? Like why a student
>> "randomly" starts throwing things across the room and such.  I was
>> thinking of having a classroom teacher observe, or a Para
>> Professional, but that isn't always an option.  I don't know how I am
>> going to do this since a lot of the triggers are things I need to see,
>> as well as the behavior may be visual as well. Feel free to email me
>> off list at
>> jkarg at falcon.bgsu.edu
>> Thankyou for any advice! I really appreciate it!
>> Jenna Karg
>> --
>> Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko
>>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
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