[nobe-l] need advice

via nobe-l nobe-l at nfbnet.org
Mon May 26 01:47:53 UTC 2014


Tammy,
Yes, these people have been reminded and then some.  Like  I said, we've 
even had meetings about it...and the district's attorney has also  met with 
them.  I spent 10 or so years reminding....and I didn't mind it a  bit because 
those administrators acted as if they cared but it would just slip  their 
mind.  We're all human....I totally get it.  These individuals,  on the other 
hand, don't even try to make an effort.  Even when we had the  meeting with 
the 2 attorneys, myself, and administration, their attitude was as  if they 
couldn't be bothered.   Reminding does nothing with  them.....they just 
plain ignore.  
Nicole
 
 
In a message dated 5/25/2014 1:08:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nobe-l at nfbnet.org writes:

Hi  Nicole, I know we have to keep after people which may seem unfair, 
where you  able to remind them about the accommodations? I work with students 
and in  legally blind myself and often I have to remind the teachers to do the 
 enlargements or give me materials ahead of time on the whole other 
subject, I  was just going to post something myself about being legally blind and 
using a  cane. Do you want to talk off-line? Best, Tammy

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> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 22:59:24 -0400  (EDT)
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> Subject: [nobe-l] need advice
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> Hi, 
> I am not one to put  messages on the  list very often and when I do, it 
is 
> typically  responding to someone else?s  message.   
> I am looking  for some advice from  others though?to get an idea of what 
>  others might do in my situation.  I apologize for the length.   
> Just some quick background  information  first.  I am legally  blind.   I 
am 
> finishing  my  12th year of teaching in an inner city public school 
system 
>  as a  special education teacher.  I have  taught in the same  school 
district 
> for my entire career.  They hired me knowing  that I was legally  blind 
and 
> might need a couple reasonable  accommodations.  For 10 years or so, the 
> district?s   administration was very helpful and very willing to provide 
any 
>  reasonable  accommodations to me I requested.   I certainly  wasn?t 
pushy and only 
> asked for things that were   essential.  They were always more  than 
willing 
> to comply  with my requests and never questioned anything.   Even during  
> those 10 years, I had  several different principals, 2 different  Special 
> Education directors, and a  couple different  Superintendents that I 
worked under.  
> For the most part, with  the  exception of one principal that caused 
> problems for  everyone, I had no issues  with any administration and any 
requests I  
> made.  The one issue I did have with the  principal, the  Superintendent 
at 
> the time quickly corrected the issue.     
> In the last couple years, we have  acquired a new  Superintendent, a new 
> Special Education director, and new   principals.   The response I  have 
> received from the  current administration has been very different.   
> At the  beginning of December of last  year, I made a request for a 
>  reasonable accommodation to my principals.   They ignored my  request.  
I again asked 
> a couple more times,  getting more  specific and more direct each time?
> .while still being  professional  and respectful.  I was still  ignored.  
Then  at 
> the beginning of  January, I contacted the Superintendent in  an attempt 
to 
> resolve the issue,  which had worked the one other  time I had had issues 
with 
> a  principal.  The  Superintendent also ignored my  attempt to contact 
him 
> and never  responded.  After discussing it with our union?s  attorney 
(who  
> also happens to practice disability law), it was decided that I   would 
file an 
> internal ADA complaint within the district.    I filed the complaint and 
> chose to  have our union?s attorney  act as my representation.   The 
district 
> contacted  their  attorney who then contacted my attorney.   After some  
> discussion and despite  my anger, I agreed to mediate the issue  without 
the district 
> having to go  through the investigation  process first.   Although I was 
> angry because I felt   that the district?s actions were totally out of 
line and 
> unnecessary,  I was not  going into this with an attitude of ?I?m out to 
get 
>  them?.   I just wanted to continue to be  treated in the same  manner I 
had 
> been for 10 years and be provided reasonable   accommodations when I 
> requested them, nothing more.   We  held a meeting where it was  myself, 
my attorney, 
> the district?s  attorney, and administration.   We came to a written and 
>  signed  agreement between the district and myself as to the reasonable  
> accommodations  that I needed and the district was willing to  provide.   
I thought 
> with the signed  agreement and my  dismissal of the complaint, that we?d 
all 
> be able to move on   and I?d get what I needed.  The  agreement was 
supposed 
> to  be distributed to all administrators that I work with  or under so 
that  
> they were aware of the agreement and its contents.   About  2 weeks 
later, I 
> was  speaking to one of the administrators and  I mentioned the 
agreement?.and 
> they  seemed to be unaware of the  agreement or its contents.  This 
concerned 
> me.  I asked a  couple other administrators  and received the same 
response. 
>  So  I called my attorney and told her my concerns.  I said ?How can  I 
> expect these people to  follow an agreement that they don?t  even seem to 
be 
> aware of?  I mean, that doesn?t seem very fair  to  them.?   She then 
contacted 
> the  district?s  attorney and we ended up on a three-way conference call. 
  I  
> explained my concerns.  She did have documentation that all  the  
> administration had been informed of it but stated that she  would make 
contact  again 
> with the Superintendent?s office and  tell them that they needed to check 
 
> again with their  administrators to ensure they were well aware of the 
agreement 
> and  expectations.  Again, I wasn?t  out to ?get them??I was simply just  
> trying to prevent another issue.   This was like 2 months  ago.   
> So, now comes today.  I was at a district level  professional  
development 
> meeting in which I was to be provided  a reasonable accommodation  that 
would 
> allow me gain the  information I needed and fully participate in the  
> professional  development.  Mind you,  this professional development is  
information 
> and training on our new state level  teacher  evaluation system?.which in 
> turn, directly correlates to my  evaluation  and ultimately, my job.   
So,  yes, 
>  it is extremely important stuff.  The accommodation I was to be provided 
 
> today was on the signed agreement  we made months ago.  The  two  
> administrators who ran the professional development were  both people who 
were  provided 
> the information?.one of which was  ironically, the Special Education  
> director.   Despite  the  agreement, I was not provided the 
accommodation.   I had  to 
> go through the training  without it.   Needless to  say,  I am angry and 
> frustrated.   I  had 10  great years with no issues.   I?ve tried very 
hard to 
> work  with the current administration and have  tried to be understanding 
and  
> forgiving.   I?ve given them chances to make  things  right and do the 
right 
> thing.   They just don?t seem to  care!!!    
> So, my question is??..what avenue  would  you do next?  Would you try  
and 
> mediate yet again, even  though they are obviously refusing to follow the 
 
> agreement that  is already made?   Would you file a complaint outside the 
>  district?   What direction would you take from   here?   What 
suggestions do you  
> have? 
> Any  thoughts are  appreciated! 
> Thanks in  advance, 
>  Nicole
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
>  Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 21:41:19 -0700
> From: Gabe  Vega via nobe-l <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: NMPBRAT at aol.com,  National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing
>     List    <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] need  advice
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> 1. I would take  other options outside the district since it is obvious 
that they are really  tending to the issues at hand.
> 2. call the NFB, they seem to like this  kind of stuff.
> 
> Gabe Vega
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>> On May 23, 2014, at 7:59 PM, via nobe-l <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I am not one to  put messages on the  list very often and when I do, it 
is 
>>  typically responding to someone else?s  message.   
>>  I am looking for some advice from  others though?to get an idea of what 
 
>> others might do in my situation.  I apologize for the  length.      
>> Just some quick background   information first.  I am legally  blind.   
I am  
>> finishing my  12th year of teaching in an inner city public  school 
system 
>> as a  special education teacher.  I  have  taught in the same school 
district 
>> for my entire  career.  They hired me knowing that I was legally  blind 
and  
>> might need a couple reasonable accommodations.  For 10 years  or so, the 
>> district?s  administration was very helpful and  very willing to provide 
any 
>> reasonable  accommodations to me  I requested.   I certainly wasn?t 
pushy and only 
>> asked  for things that were  essential.  They were always more  than  
willing 
>> to comply with my requests and never questioned  anything.   Even during 
>> those 10 years, I had   several different principals, 2 different 
Special 
>> Education  directors, and a  couple different Superintendents that I 
worked  under.  
>> For the most part, with the  exception of one  principal that caused 
>> problems for everyone, I had no  issues  with any administration and any 
requests I 
>>  made.  The one issue I did have with the  principal, the  
Superintendent at 
>> the time quickly corrected the issue.   
>> In the last couple years, we have  acquired a new  Superintendent, a new 
>> Special Education director, and new   principals.   The response I  have 
>> received from  the current administration has been very different.   
>>  At the beginning of December of last  year, I made a request for a  
>> reasonable accommodation to my principals.   They  ignored my request.  
I again asked 
>> a couple more  times,  getting more specific and more direct each time?
>>  .while still being professional  and respectful.  I was still   
ignored.  Then at 
>> the beginning of  January, I  contacted the Superintendent in an attempt 
to 
>> resolve the  issue,  which had worked the one other time I had had 
issues with  
>> a  principal.  The Superintendent also ignored my   attempt to contact 
him 
>> and never responded.  After  discussing it with our union?s  attorney 
(who 
>> also happens  to practice disability law), it was decided that I  would 
file an  
>> internal ADA complaint within the district.   I filed  the complaint and 
>> chose to  have our union?s attorney act as  my representation.   The 
district 
>> contacted their   attorney who then contacted my attorney.   After some 
>>  discussion and despite  my anger, I agreed to mediate the issue without 
 the district 
>> having to go  through the investigation process  first.   Although I was 
>> angry because I felt  that  the district?s actions were totally out of 
line and 
>> unnecessary,  I was not  going into this with an attitude of ?I?m out to 
get  
>> them?.   I just wanted to continue to be  treated  in the same manner I 
had 
>> been for 10 years and be provided  reasonable  accommodations when I 
>> requested them, nothing  more.   We held a meeting where it was  myself, 
my attorney,  
>> the district?s attorney, and administration.   We came  to a written and 
>> signed  agreement between the district and  myself as to the reasonable 
>> accommodations  that I needed  and the district was willing to provide.  
 I thought 
>>  with the signed  agreement and my dismissal of the complaint, that we?d 
 all 
>> be able to move on  and I?d get what I needed.   The  agreement was 
supposed 
>> to be distributed to all  administrators that I work with  or under so 
that 
>> they were  aware of the agreement and its contents.   About 2 weeks 
later, I  
>> was  speaking to one of the administrators and I mentioned  the 
agreement?.and 
>> they  seemed to be unaware of the  agreement or its contents.  This 
concerned 
>> me.  I asked  a couple other administrators  and received the same 
response.  
>> So  I called my attorney and told her my concerns.  I  said ?How can I 
>> expect these people to  follow an agreement  that they don?t even seem 
to be 
>> aware of?  I mean, that  doesn?t seem very fair to  them.?   She then 
contacted  
>> the  district?s attorney and we ended up on a three-way  conference 
call.   I 
>> explained my concerns.  She  did have documentation that all the  
>> administration had been  informed of it but stated that she would make 
contact  again 
>>  with the Superintendent?s office and tell them that they needed to 
check   
>> again with their administrators to ensure they were well aware of  the 
agreement 
>> and expectations.  Again, I wasn?t  out  to ?get them??I was simply just 
>> trying to prevent another  issue.   This was like 2 months ago.   
>> So,  now comes today.  I was at a district level professional   
development 
>> meeting in which I was to be provided a reasonable  accommodation  that 
would 
>> allow me gain the information I  needed and fully participate in the  
>> professional  development.  Mind you,  this professional development is  
information 
>> and training on our new state level  teacher  evaluation system?.which 
in 
>> turn, directly correlates to my  evaluation  and ultimately, my job.   
So,  yes,  
>> it is extremely important stuff.  The accommodation I was to  be 
provided 
>> today was on the signed agreement  we made  months ago.  The two  
>> administrators who ran the  professional development were both people 
who were  provided 
>>  the information?.one of which was ironically, the Special Education   
>> director.   Despite the  agreement, I was not  provided the 
accommodation.   I had to 
>> go through the  training  without it.   Needless to say,  I am angry and 
 
>> frustrated.   I  had 10 great years with no  issues.   I?ve tried very 
hard to 
>> work with the current  administration and have  tried to be 
understanding and 
>>  forgiving.   I?ve given them chances to make  things right and  do the 
right 
>> thing.   They just don?t seem to  care!!!    
>> So, my question is??..what avenue   would you do next?  Would you try  
and 
>> mediate yet  again, even though they are obviously refusing to follow 
the   
>> agreement that is already made?   Would you file a  complaint outside 
the 
>> district?   What direction would  you take from  here?   What 
suggestions do you   
>> have? 
>> Any thoughts are  appreciated!  
>> Thanks in  advance, 
>> Nicole
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