[Nyagdu] [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

[David Andrews]

As has been said, the reply-all command can vary from e-mail program 
to e-mail program, but is most commonly control-shift-r

Dave

At 03:56 PM 12/27/2013, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>To try and answer Peters and others when replying all to the 
>e-mails, which I request, but only on the topic, not the issues 
>well, please let us know how to do that. I had originally stated to 
>please reply all to the original e-mail because, Travel and Tourism, 
>NYAGDU Talk lists were being copied, as well as the officers of the 
>travel and tourism and some leaders in the NFB.
>If you are not sure how to do this.
>This is the information I got from the Freedom Scientific Website:
>To reply all
>Replying or Forwarding a MessageOpen the message, press the 
>APPLICATIONS Key then move to and press ENTER on the action you want 
>to perform (Reply, Reply All, or Forward).In the message area type 
>in your response.When you are done, press F1 to 
>Send.Note:  Selections in the Message page found under the Tools 
>Menu in Options determine whether the original text is included.To 
>see header information, press SHIFT+TAB. Press TAB to move back to 
>the message body.
>Hope this helps.
>Have a Happy Holiday.
>Cheryl
>
>Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best 
>in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, 
>Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
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> > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:46:55 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> >
> >     Perhaps this needs to be attacked on two fronts. The resolution and
> > working with the DOT to set a required seat width to accommodate all
> > passengers including large ones and to insure that passengers 
> traveling with
> > guide dogs will have enough room to accommodate the dog in the cabin
> > particularly large dogs.
> >
> >     The second way to address this issue is for us as individuals to
> > investigate additional sources of income to among other things be able to
> > travel privately or in first class so we and our guide dogs can fly in
> > comfort. Starting a business such as a travel agency is one idea. 
> There are
> > many other ways to supplement one's income so we can fly the way we wish
> > without endurring  the treatment received by airlines. Increasing 
> our income
> > to allow us to fly privately is something we as individuals will need to
> > address. The next time someone invites you to investigate a money-making
> > opportunity remember this thread and decide with it in mind.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" 
> <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo
> > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" 
> <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark`
> > Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> >
> > When everyone responds, please reply all. I really appreciate it.
> > Peter Donahue, I do hope as well, that our resolution has a lot of meat to
> > it, I have been asking the Travel & Tourism members and officers 
> to work on
> > this, but with the holidays, it has gone to the way side.
> > But it is time to start working again, especially, we need to get our
> > thoughts on this resolution in time for the join meeting with 
> NAGDU sometime
> > in January.
> > I agree with you Peter, many people who are overweight have this issue, in
> > fact, this was big news a few months ago when an obese teenager flew from
> > France to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, now is he obese due to a medical
> > condition and not from eating all day long, etc. He came here 
> from France on
> > British Airways. but when he was going home they gave him a very 
> hard time,
> > and then on the Eurostar train service from England to France because of
> > safety rules, so instead. he was being taken across the English Channel by
> > ferry.
> > I have dealt with a weight issue all my life. But again, mine is 
> also from a
> > medical issue and not from over eating and not working out.
> > At the time Peter, maybe Marion Gwizdala (NAGDU) or other 
> divisions, didn't
> > think it was serious enough to look at since it wasn't a blindness related
> > issue, and until it affected guide dogs, then maybe we will get 
> involved. I
> > am a board member of NYAGDU, and a guide dog user.
> > When writing up a resolution we have to think about all the areas of it.
> > Peter as far as I am concerned and this division, we haven't heard anyone
> > seeking other forms of flying transportation, accept for then Mark Sloan,
> > which by the way, I haven't heard from him in over a year, and 
> some of other
> > people as well.
> > If people can afford private jets to get places, that is fine, but the
> > majority of the average person cannot afford that, even the 
> airlines itself,
> > many people cannot afford to pay for them.
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >
> > Sign up for our e-newsletter by e-mailing us you first and last name, and
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> if you want
> > just text or pictures in your e-mail.
> > Echevarria Travel has partnered with Braille Smith. 
> www.braillesmith.com for
> > all her braille needs.  Gail Smith is the Secretary of the NFB of Alabama
> >
> > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > > Good morning Cheryl and everyone,
> > >
> > >     I warned about this several years ago. No one including Marion
> > > Gwizdala
> > > took me seriously when I told him and others that shrinking 
> airplane seats
> > > would not only pose a travel barrier for large passengers but could
> > > jeopardize our ability to keep our guide dogs in the cabin with 
> us when we
> > > fly. Perhaps this airline resolution that has been discussed here should
> > > address the issue of less seat room and how it is creating problems for
> > > passengers that travel with guide dogs. It's no wonder that 
> some of us are
> > > searching for flying options other than the airlines.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>;
> > > "Jo
> > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>;
> > > "Gary
> > > Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Mark` Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:34 AM
> > > Subject: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > >
> > > There are many commercials out there, that are making fun of 
> these issues,
> > > but they are happening, especially with airlines that do not belong to
> > > IATA
> > > such as Southwest and Spirit Airlines, and some others.  Some have heard
> > > me
> > > talk about IATA and some do not know what this is. I will be posting this
> > > not only to Travel & Tourism, but to NAGDU and to some leaders in the
> > > organization.
> > > Would love to hear your feedback on this subject.
> > > Yes, you are not going crazy or getting bigger and heavier. The fact is
> > > that, the airlines are trying to take as much room as possible from the
> > > space they already have on the planes, and add more seats. They make more
> > > money because the get more passengers. The airlines can take a 150
> > > passenger
> > > plane and move the seats in and add up to 178 passengers.
> > > How do they do this, they take away the leg room, and for some 
> of us this
> > > is
> > > way to tight, even though that are not overweight will have issues
> > > breathing
> > > or even relaxing on a 3 hour flight, like to Orlando in Fl.
> > > Airlines such as Southwest and Spirit are already doing this, 
> and charging
> > > more for it as well.
> > > Now for those of us, who are also more than just blind or use guide dogs,
> > > how do we fit in, or where is the under the seat space, supposedly our
> > > dogs
> > > and lie in when they force us to stick dogs under the seat in 
> front of us,
> > > well we wont be able to like this.
> > > What do you think?  Let us know.
> > > Also I mentioned an organization called IATA, which stands for
> > > International
> > > Air Transport Association,  is the trade association for the world's
> > > airlines. It represents some 240 airlines or more than 80% of total air
> > > traffic. IATA supports airline activity and helps formulate industry
> > > policy
> > > and standards. It is headquartered in Montreal, Canada with Executive
> > > Offices in Geneva, Switzerland
> > > "IATA provides consulting and training services in many areas crucial to
> > > aviation.Travel Agent accreditation is available for travel 
> professionals.
> > > Full accreditation allows agents to sell tickets on behalf of all IATA
> > > member airlines.Cargo Agent accreditation is a similar program.IATA also
> > > runs the Billing and Settlement Plan, which is a $300 billion-plus
> > > financial
> > > system that looks after airline money.And it provides a number 
> of business
> > > intelligence publications and services.Training covers all aspects of
> > > aviation and ranges from beginner courses through to senior management
> > > courses."
> > > The majority of all the airlines belong to this organization, as well as,
> > > travel professionals, like yours truly can apply for card with them. I
> > > have
> > > enough association cards, that allow me to book my clients, they are also
> > > very expense to get an association with them for someone who is a home
> > > based
> > > agent.
> > > For more about IATA - here is a link for all the information on them.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Air_Transport_Association
> > > Many of the Host Agencies have them, so you don't personally needs them.
> > > Southwest and Spirit do not belong to this organization, they have a
> > > choice
> > > to do this, but if they were, they would have to comply with certain
> > > standards, which they don't. So if you are contacting a travel
> > > professional
> > > and they say they cannot book Southwest or Spirit, it is because they do
> > > not
> > > belong to this organization. So in short, no more leg room, you must sit
> > > up
> > > like a board, and I know myself, if I sit up that straight, it will
> > > prevent
> > > me from doing other things, like maybe doing some work on the plane, or
> > > like
> > > I said where do I put my dog, in the overhead area. That would be funny.
> > > NOT!
> > > Cheryl Echevarria, PresidentNFB Travel & Tourism
> > > Divisioninfo at nfbtravel.org631-236-5138www.nfbtravel.orgfacebook page: NFB
> > > Travel & TourismTwitter: nfbtraveltour1
> > >
> > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > > 
> Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > >
> > > Sign up for our e-newsletter by e-mailing us you first and last name, and
> > > e-mail address to reservations at echevarriatravel.com, let us know if you
> > > want
> > > just text or pictures in your e-mail.
> > > Echevarria Travel has partnered with Braille Smith. www.braillesmith.com
> > > for
> > > all her braille needs.  Gail Smith is the Secretary of the NFB of Alabama