[Oagdu] Another thought about dog guide users driving:

[Andy Leach]

There is a huge difference in using common sense to figure out ways to
accomplish a task that someone believes that you can't do versus taking
advantage of whatever is convenient for you at a particular time.  Taking
advantage of people or situations has nothing to do with being blind, deaf,
in a wheel chair, or having no visible disability for that matter.  By the
way, those other situations you referenced like parking in a handicap
parking space without a pass and the other things along the same line; those
are also bullshit and shouldn't be tolerated.  If you have a legitimate
response other than it is the professionals who should decide, I'd be glad
to give it serious thought.

-----Original Message-----
From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angel via Oagdu
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:15 PM
To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
Cc: Angel
Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Another thought about dog guide users driving:

I will tell you this, from the experience of someone who actually fell down
a few stairs in my life, if I had visual problems restricting my ability to
discern curbs or stairs, I think the wisest thing to do would be for me to
use a cane.  I knew two totally blind people who fell down an elevator
shaft.  Because they weren't carrying their white canes.  My point is:  We,
who don't know particulars are in no position to judge another's ability
either to drive.  Or whether a guide should be employed.  That should be
left to the individuals and to the hired professionals in charge of
determining such.  How many things do we do as blind people others believe
are beyond our capabilities to do as totally blind people.  There once was a
time we were assumed not to be able to teach sighted students, and were
denied employment and a paid education.  Based on that assumption.  Now
there are many totally blind teachers successfully teaching sighted
students.  Why is this?  Because we and those supervising us realized we
could be creative enough to do this.  The objections to us being teachers of
sighted people seemed cogent, but as time went on, were proven wrong.  We
have minds, and if we aren't demented, we can decide the best course for us
to take.  No choice should be deprived us.  Without an accident. Or some
tangible reason why such should be deprived us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marianne Denning via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Marianne Denning" <marianne at denningweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Another thought about dog guide users driving:


> The requirement, by law, is that anyone using a cane must be legally 
> blind.  I can see your point, but at what point will people start 
> carrying canes so they can cross a busy street and be protected by the 
> white cane law.  If depth perception is their only problem they should 
> not be using any kind of aid for people who are blind.  I like your 
> thinking though.
>
>
>
> On 8/18/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What if the dog guide user had difficulty with depth perception, and 
>> falls down stairs or curbs.  mightn't he choose to use a dog guide 
>> for the same reasons others do.  Some say dog guides make more 
>> efficient traveling, ETC.
>> Depth perception wouldn't be a problem for a driver.  If he were able 
>> to drive with technological assistance.  Must he be forced to use a 
>> cane, rather than a dog guide,  to assist him with his depth 
>> perception.  Just because people might misconstrue his motives for using
a dog guide?
>> **The nice thing about being a celebrity is that if you bore people 
>> they think it's their fault.** Henry Kissinger
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
>
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