[Oagdu] FW: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as Uber is?

Thu Feb 12 15:00:51 UTC 2015



> Hi all,
> Please see the below message from NAGDU president Marion Gwizdala
> regarding this situation. Hope it helps!
> Deanna
>
>The Dick Goddard law has been passed by the house in Columbus.
The State senate is taking the law up very soon. I was correct that the law
was not passed. I worked on petitioning the state about thee act.
we still have time to support the Dick Goddard law.
Thank you very much. Megan


 -----Original Message-----\\From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 4:01 PM
> To: 'Michael Hingson'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as
> Uber is?
>
> Mike,
>
> 	I believe that, in order to file a complaint, it needs to be done by
> someone with standing: Someone who has been negatively impacted by the
> policy. If one were to book travel and be denied, that person would have
> standing. The company can say they will not allow a service dog and may
> not violate the ADA. Actually denying one the right to purchase a ticket
> or ride is the violation.
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:25 AM
> To: 'Chaim B. Segal'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as
> Uber is?
>
> Chaim,
>
> You ask fair questions.  No doubt the "service" is in violation of the ADA
> and state laws on many levels.  Even if none of us may use the service
> given your description a complaint aught to be made to the Department of
> Justice.
> I am passing your email on and let's see what advice we get.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
> Vice President, NAGDU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B. Segal
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:41 PM
> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as Uber
> is?
>
> Hi All:
>
> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's hearing,
> a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out there.
>
> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major increase
> of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of these people will
> actually stay around, or how many of them are temporary residents. My
> apartment complex is swarming with students from the University of Dayton,
> whose millionaire parents are paying for them to attend school here. I
> don't think that this group has anything to do with the folks I am
> mentioning below.
>
> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to our
> attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels between
> Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City.  Why only these three cities I
> don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I was going to use
> this service to take a trip, and researched the operation online. I called
> their phone number, and asked the Chinese bloke who answered the phone a
> few things about their service. As I expected, they had a no pets policy.
> I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide dog users to
> be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The fellow had never heard
> of guide dog use before. He was adamant that I cannot travel on his
> service with a dog. Before this, I asked him if I could be given
> assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said "no."
>
> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt Sutton who
> tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I forget)
> turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended that I just
> not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, they may be
> operating somewhat illegally anyway.
>
> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this Chinese
> bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using it, he thought
> it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and I to travel to and
> from New York. After using it himself, he has changed his mind. The bus
> does not stop at any designated station terminal. They pick people up in
> neighborhoods which are out in the middle of nowhere. In New York, they
> drop people off in Chinatown, and leave it to them to travel with their
> luggage to where they need to go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my
> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in mind,
> it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this service
> using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat, unless I really
> thought I would use this service.
>
> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog is as
> good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern with regard to
> assisting any blind person, even if they are not using a dog.
> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had wheelchair
> lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that this service may be
> in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm wondering if these people
> should be informed that if they are operating a service in the United
> States, they must play by the rules. While I strongly feel the answer is
> obviously "Yes", I'm wondering if taking them to task will really
> accomplish anything. Somebody told me that the way they can even have a
> service like this is to do things under the table. Even if they are
> confronted, will they really listen?
>
> What do you all think?
>
> Chaim
>
> Chaim B. Segal
> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton, Ohio
>
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