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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The only reason I wrote the post was because I
believed the woman having the problem asked us to offer to her our opinions
regarding her situation. If I believed otherwise, I wouldn't have
posted. I don't believe the issue is whether she keep the guide. I
believe the issue is whether she could keep both dogs. I didn't believe
there were adequate grounds for her to keep both dogs. Not that she be
mandated to give up her Guide dog. So, in order to rent an apartment in
that building, it would make sense to get rid of the pet. Sighted people
have to get rid of pets all the time for various reasons. How are we blind
people special in that regard. A dog is not a child, and should
not ever be compared with a human person. My children are worth far
more than any pet. Regardless what others might think. My daughter
was bitten when she was a child by a dog. Whose owner believed her
pet was a child Having the same right to wander the streets as
my human child. This sort of thinking is what leads pet owners to allow
their dogs these freedoms, and find it difficult to understand why legally pets
ought to be controlled. I have heard all sorts of excuses pet owners give
for allowing their pets to wander around apartment buildings and properties
unleashed. After they have bitten human beings. Perhaps, if pets
were thought of, and treated somewhat less like children, and more like the
animals they are, blind people and their guides might feel safer
walking the streets in neighborhoods filled with pet dogs. She discovered
quickly enough the difference between her pet, and my human child.
Millions of dollars are spent on dog and cat food, and health services for
pets. While human children and homeless people are left to eat from trash
cans and dumpsters. I shall never forget the day my son told me of a man
he saw eating a snack he just got from a dumpster. Pets are
lower animals, and are chattel. In many parts of Asia dogs and
cats are eaten, and in America they are often treated more humanely, and
with more dignity than are many homeless people. Guide dogs are in a
different category. Because they perform a much needed service for us
blind people. They earn their keep. As do all working animals.
But, even comparing them to children should never be done, in my
opinion. While there is even a single hungry, abused human
in this country. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oagdu@nfbnet.org href="mailto:oagdu@nfbnet.org">Deanna Lewis via
Oagdu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=oagdu@nfbnet.org
href="mailto:oagdu@nfbnet.org">Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=DLewis@clovernook.org
href="mailto:DLewis@clovernook.org">Deanna Lewis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2015 11:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate
Apartments</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Angel,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
thank you for your post. I think that this is like many things, you have to
choose your battles. Personally, I think that if it were me, I would take the
steps needed to rectify this issue. However, to be honest, depending on the
management’s attitudes (ex: if they were really rude about the issue) I would
choose a different place to live. I’ve always felt like if you don’t want my
animals, you don’t want me. This is with both my guide dogs and with pet dogs
and cats. Lori, I don’t blame you for not wanting to get rid of your pets.
Since I do not have kids, my pets are like my kids. And many people wouldn’t
just give up the kid they’ve raised for 10 or so years. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You
may want to post to the main Nagdu list as well and get other’s opinions. Hope
this helps. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
Lori, my personal email is: <A
href="mailto:Deannakay03@gmail.com">Deannakay03@gmail.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Deanna<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Oagdu
[mailto:oagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Angel via
Oagdu<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2015 4:59 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ohio
Association of Guide Dog Users List<BR><B>Cc:</B> Angel<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Oagdu] Pursueing WoodGate Apartments<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think you should
let it go, and try to move somewhere else. Because a Dog guide is a
dog. Whether he is considered a pet, or a service animal. For
which you aren't charged extra. Consider the example you
would be setting for others. Who just want to skate around rules
for one reason or other. This can be seen by other pet owners. Who
consistently attempt to pass their pets off as service animals. Some of
these service animals, or so they are called by their owners, haven't
even a modicum of training. Consider also those with whom you have to
live. Who might understand a dog guide as a dog, as do the
management of the building, and might not understand your
reasoning. How will they accept you as a neighbor. When they are
restricted regarding the number of dogs they are to keep, and you aren't
seeming to be. You might be better off to move to a duplex, or a double
house. Owned by a private individual. Who might be more
sympathetic to your rationale, and less bound by strict apartment rules.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=oagdu@nfbnet.org href="mailto:oagdu@nfbnet.org">Lori Dent via
Oagdu</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=oagdu@nfbnet.org href="mailto:oagdu@nfbnet.org">Ohio Guide Dogs</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=loriandleo@ohiohills.com href="mailto:loriandleo@ohiohills.com">Lori
Dent</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, May 11,
2015 1:00 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [Oagdu]
Pursueing WoodGate Apartments<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi fellow Guide Dog
Users of Ohio,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would like to discuss
more about the issue I'm having with the WoodGate Apartments
regarding their policy of pets and my guide dog
Gipp.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I want to go about this the
right way and with the correct information I will need to help me be
able to have both my pet dog and cat and my guide dog
living with me if I want to be able to live in these
apartments.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My fiancee Rick and I did
go up and talk to the management of these WoodGate Apartments but we
didn't fill out any application as of yet.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The management pet policy
is one dog and one cat only. So I'm thinking I should be able to have my pet
dog and my cat of course I will need to pay for them. Which I have no
problem with but on the other hand I should be able to have my guide dog
there at no charge and not count him in the house hold he's my
mobility aide and not a pet. The management says I can't have 2 dogs
and a cat or two cats and a dog for example but just one dog and a
cat.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm not giving up my
pets and I want to be able to have the opportunity to live
here if I choose to with my pet animals and my guide dog. One of the
reasons we considered this apartment complex is because they
allow dogs and cats so I figured this would be perfect
for us with my 2 pets and Gipp wouldn't be a issue. But I'm not
giving up my Chihuahua just so I can have my guide dog . I should be
able to have both dogs and my cat.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I never had a issue like
this before and I need some guidance on how to go about
this.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Do you all think I should
pursue this? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also, I don't have
Deanna's email address or Alleha's email address and I was
wondering if you 2 could send me your emails off list to me.?
Thanks.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Lori and the
Gipper</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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