[Ohio-talk] Are Blind People lemmings?
Colleen Roth
n8tnv at att.net
Mon Nov 12 20:46:08 UTC 2012
Hi Shelbi,
You are right.
I think it's fun to read different codes.
I know people who write the word bear and fear as you described.
That is the way some people wrote Braille and my Dear Braille Teacher Sister Maura wrote a note to me which I still have which uses those contractions.
Good Braille Readers who teach Braille must also be able to read unusual things because you never know what you will see.
I have read books from the UK and their Conventions are different but I can definitely read the Braille written in the UK.
I hope we all do some extra brailling today.
I always wonder how people can go through life and not braille things.
I use my Braille Sense but I use my Braille Writer every day.
It's the Cat's Meow!!!
Colleen Roth
----- Original Message -----
From: Shelbi Hindel <shelbiah at att.net>
To: "'Ationfb of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List'" <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, Nov 12, 2012 02:01:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Are Blind People lemmings?
>
>
> Hi Folks,
> My thought on the Braille subject is that most good Braille readers can use
> several codes. My personal example is that my former mother-in-law used a
> different code than I learned. In words such as bear, hear, year, she wrote
> the ea sign. I was taught to write using the ar sign. She never refused to
> read things I wrote and I never refused to read things that she wrote. I'd
> say if she were still living and I'd ask she did not like it when the code
> made this change. Although she did not use it herself, to my knowledge she
> did know it, could read it. Personally I do not like change in any area but
> I like Braille more than I dislike change. I will always support Braille and
> congress people need to know that it is important to us and we will not let
> it go for technology.
>
> Happy Brailling,
> Shelbi
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of COLLEEN
> ROTH
> Sent: November 12, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Are Blind People lemmings?
>
> Hi Eric and Everyone on List,
> Being part of the NFB Family means standing by the decisions the NFB makes
> even if we do not understand or agree with them.
> If we have something to say about a deision that is Okay but ultimately we
> must work as a family and live as a family.
> After all, we are a family.
> I am sure that none of us can say we agree with each and every deision made
> in any family we are a part of.
> I think that we should support the changes that were voted on at the
> National Convention.
> If we do not understand something we should question it privately with
> someone who knows about the reasoning or can find out for us.
> Over the years I have learned that tact and being assertive are important.
> Aggression and being disrespectful are never appropriate.
> This does not mean that we shouldn't demonstrate against things such as our
> picketing of Goodwill or NAC or other things which are discriminatory.
> We in the NFB must remember that we might lose some battles but we will
> never lose the war.
> Look at how we have learned to deal with situations in a respectful and
> appropriate way which has caused us to be able to work with others for the
> benefit of the blind of our nation and world.
> We always need to stand up for what is right and not be afraid to act when
> necessary.
> As an example, years ago I really wasn't very happy "for the rights of Dog
> Guide Users.
> I supported their rights and will continue to do so.
> I have learned that there is endeed discrimination and this area and I now
> vigorously support those who are Dog Guide users.
> i never can remember which way to say this.
> By the same token, I wish Dog Guide Users would realize that their Dog
> Guides should be kept under control. I must say that I didn't have any
> unpleasant encounters because of lack of control on the part of Dog Guide
> Users' this year.
> I think that my attitude in this area has helped.
> Compromise is a good thing if we can do it without watering down what we
> believe in.
> I can say that I no longer hate dogs, I just would rather not have them too
> close.
> Have a great day and oemember we need to do wha^ is best for the most
> people.
> Sometimes we just have to work around things we do not like or understand.
> Go a great day!
> Maybe someone could post something about which is the correct term, Dog
> Guide or Guide Dog and explain the difference.
> Colleen Roth
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Duffy <eduffy at deltav.org>
> To: "'Ationfb of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List'"
> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 07:23:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Are Blind People lemmings?
>
> >
> >
> > I am never too excited about changing the Braille code, but I have to
> > trust those in a better position to know about the need for change than am
> I.
> > Those in the STEM fields believe there is a need for change. When the
> > Nemeth Code was created, I am sure there were those who saw no need
> > for it. How many of us would say get rid of it? Most people who
> > learned Braille after the Nemeth Code was adopted would say never get rid
> of it. In any case,
> > Aleeha and Chantel
> > Are right on target. We are a family, and we must remain united even
> > when we disagree with a decision or two.
> >
> > Eric
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Chantel Cuddemi
> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:59 PM
> > To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Are Blind People lemmings?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to comment on the Braille thing.
> >
> > In my home state, Massachusetts, I was taught Braille at a very young
> > age, and will use it if I have to.
> >
> > I prefer speech over Braille.
> >
> > Yes, we all have to stand by the nfb no matter what, because, we are a
> > family.
> >
> > Just my thoughts,
> >
> > Chantel
> >
> > On 11/10/12, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > I agree entirely with what Colleen has just said. Even though I am
> > > young, I don't think I will give up my 9 contractions either. That's
> > > just the way I have been taught. this, however, should not be your
> > > reason to not renew your membership with NAPUB. I have two points to
> > > make for my reasoning for this. The first is that since so many
> > > children are going without Braille education and so many newly blind
> > > adults or adults who have been blind for years do not use Braille or
> > > simply do not have the opportunity to learn it, it needs to be
> > > promoted and taught as much as possible, no matter what code it's in.
> > > Braille is still a very important tool for the blind, especially in
> > > terms
> > of literacy and education, and therefore should be promoted.
> > > The second point I have to make is about standing behind your
> > > Federation family, even though you may not agree with everything
> > > they say. I know someone at the convention, I do not remember who,
> > > talked for a bit about this. This is not made as an anger-provoking
> > > statement, and I hope it is not seen as such. Though you may not
> > > agree with everything your Federation family stands for, you should
> > > always stand by your family in the eyes of the public and other
> > > organizations of the blind. We are, after all, a family, and one's
> > > responsibility is to stand by one's family in all decisions, is it not?
> > > I hope this message has not offended anyone and I apologize if it has.
> > > Please feel free to reply with your comments.
> > > I hope all are recovering from whatever was so generously shared at
> > > convention! I myself did not get it, but I hope everyone who did is
> > > faring well.
> > > Best Wishes,
> > >
> > > Aleeha dudley
> > >
> > > On Nov 10, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Colleen Roth <n8tnv at att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >ar Hi Milena,
> > >ar I wasn't hapy about the proposed changes years ago when we first
> > >ar heard about them.
> > >ar I am not happy we are going to change to UEB but I still think we
> > >ar should promote Braille.
> > >ar If my notetaker continues to support translation from Grade 2
> > >Braille ar to text I will continue ! use that.
> > >ar I will probably learn UEB because I still want to teach Braille to
> > >ar others.
> > >ar I love all of my contractions too.
> > >ar I find certain things rather cubersome and we do not need to have
> > >ar things take up more room.
> > >ar However, we were outvoted and must live with this.
> > >ar I gues for me I will write in Braille with all of my friend ar
> > >contactions when it is for my personal use or when I write to someone
> > >ar who can read Grade 2 Braille.
> > >ar We still need to promote Literacy and for many of us that means
> Braille.
> > >ar Yes sometime in the future we can let children in on our nine ar
> > >contractions.
> > >ar I personally do not plan to retire any of my current books.
> > >ar I just hope that when I can no longer use them someone will still
> > >ar want them.
> > >ar Let's promote Braille Literacy no matter what our feelings are about
> UEB.
> > >ar I guess I better look for a hardcopy of some Study Materials.
> > >ar I actually want to read the changes in a hardcopy book.
> > >ar I really do not want to go to a Website because I am not sure I
> > >can ar access Bana's Website with my Braille Sense.
> > >ar Enjoy writing braille as long as you draw breath.
> > >ar We have always experienced changes to the codes and have survived
> them.
> > >ar
> > >ar Colleen Roth
> > >ar
> > >ar
> > >ar
> > >ar ----- Original Message -----
> > >ar From: <mzavoli at roadrunner.com>
> > >ar To: Ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >ar Date: Friday, Nov 9, 2012 08:41:40 PM ar Subject: [Ohio-talk] Are
> > >Blind People lemmings?
> > >ar
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello Everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> Although I wrote about Braille at the end of a previous message,
> > >>> it has been brought to my attention that many might have missed my
> > >>> comments, and so I am restating my thoughts under a separate
> > >>> subject
> > line.
> > >>>
> > >>> I amm expressing my displeasure at NAPUB for what's about to
> > >>> happen to our well-crafted, space-efficient and cherished Braille
> system.
> > >>>
> > >>> I voted against the BANA Braille changes at this year's national
> > >>> convention because Braille is fine the way it is. Braille will
> > >>> become more cumbersome to read the way BANA plans to change it.
> > >>> This is all an attempt to placate those who say that Braille is
> > >>> hard. By lowering our standards to become "team players" we are
> > >>> harming ourselves and future generations of blind children and adults.
> > >>>
> > >>> I love all of my contractions, and to have nine of the most
> > >>> commonly needed ones gone, feels like I've suffered a Braille
> > amputation!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> Our complying with the demands of people in Europe or other parts
> > >>> of the world and settling for the inferior code they want makes us
> > >>> nothing more than lemmings.
> > >>>
> > >>> Imagine how the "blindness professionals" will say that Braille is
> > >>> even more long and cumbersome than it used to be, and they will
> > >>> have more reason to argue that Braille should not be inflicted on
> > >>> blind
> > children.
> > >>> Democratizing Braille should not mean lowering standards.
> > >>>
> > >>> NAPUB has lowered the standards for American braille, and I will
> > >>> not support or renew my membership in NAPUB.
> > >>>
> > >>> I will be a Braille maverick. As my way of silent protest, I will
> > >>> continue to write Braille the "old fashioned" way. One day, I'll
> > >>> be at a national convention telling blind youngsters about the
> > >>> good old days and showing them my secret Braille contractions. As
> > >>> they gather around, I'll say, "I know nine secret contractions
> > >>> that they didn't teach you in school." I bet anything they'll be
> > >>> very
> > interested!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> Milena
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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