[Ohio-talk] looking for advice

Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
Mon May 26 22:24:30 UTC 2014


Nicole, are you able to move?  Sometimes that is what it takes.


On 5/26/14, via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Debbie,
> You're right....that's not what I want to hear!    Lord knows, I was there
> long before any of these fools, so if I end up needing  to leave, I won't be
>
> leaving without a fight!  It's sad too....because the  rest of the staff,
> parents, and students have all been wonderful.    I'll keep an eye
> out....but
> the market is pretty saturated in the area and I'm  not the cheapest on the
>
> block with my masters degree.  I actually  would be more worried about loss
>
> of seniority than loss of money.
> Nicole
>
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2014 11:37:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ohio-talk at nfbnet.org writes:
>
> Nicole,
>
> You won't want to hear this.. Keep looking earnestly  for another job!!
> Hopefully your having ten years or so, most of your  salary would transfer
> to
> another district and you would neither lose money  nor start at the bottom
> again.
>
> Debbie Baker
> (We're on friendly  nickname terms by now).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of  via
> Ohio-talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:12 PM
> To:  ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] looking for  advice
>
> Debra,
> I am in somewhat of a unique situation....if it isn't  crazy enough
> already.....in that, I am president of a union that is a  "local", in that
> we
> do
> not belong to a larger union....LONG  story.   Anyway, so we are
> represented
>
> by an attorney  in the area who works with many different districts  unions
> in
> some capacity and even does work for OEA.   In our  district,  it is
> customary that the President is at the negotiating  table.  This year,  all
>
> 4
> unions in the district are  negotiating.  Some of the other unions  have
> already  started.  It is my understanding from speaking to them, that
> this
> time, the district is even pushing boundaries with this, in that, they  are
> at times insisting on only speaking to the President and the Rep.   Of
> course, it is simply another "tactic".  I do not believe though  that even
> if I were not "at the table", that they would not be tempted to  still
> retaliate,  knowing I
> was still "behind the  scenes".   You are right  though.....it would be
> illegal  for them to do but it would be a matter of  proving it.
> Can you  see though why I have this tug-of-war going on in head!!!!   It's
>
> maddening!  LOL
> Nicole
>
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2014  10:09:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ohio-talk at nfbnet.org  writes:
>
> Nicole,,
>
> Debra Baker one more time.  I just   realized:  I don't know about your
> district, but when we bargained  in  my district, the union president never
> sat at the actual  negotiations table  anyway, just as the board president
> didn't  either.  Perhaps that would  be best for you considering this
> matter.
> Talk with your labor relations  rep.  Of course your team  would keep you
> informed about bargaining at  all points.  But  perhaps you wouldn't sit at
> the  table.
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: Ohio-talk  [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On  Behalf Of via
> Ohio-talk
> Sent:  Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:39 PM
> To:  ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re:  [Ohio-talk] looking for  advice
>
> Hi Colleen (and all),
> You are right  that sometimes you  do have to go to the next  step.  I do
> believe  I am  probably at that point.
> With that said, as you stated,   sometimes there are risks  involved.  To
> further complicate  my  situation, there is something I didn't  share in
> my
> original  message....because it really shouldn't matter....but it  is  what
> is making me hesitate on this.
> You see, I am also a  union  president.  We are negotiating  our contract
> this  year and  negotiations are slated to be done in June and   July.  My
> concern is that if I do go outside the district and file  a  complaint,
> that
> they may
> take that and lash back by taking  it out on the union   during
> negotiations.
> Negotiations are  already anticipated to be tough  this  year and I am
> fearful they  would retaliate....and I think it  would be difficult  to
> prove
> that
> that is what they were actually  doing.    Does that make  any sense?
> Like I  said....it  shouldn't matter...but the reality is, the  timing
> stinks.
> So that  is what is making me hesitate.  I meet with  the  union's
> attorney
> this week about negotiations and am hoping to get her   take  on the matter
> then.
> Thanks for your   input!
> Nicole
>
>
> In a message dated 5/24/2014 3:13:22 P.M.  Eastern  Daylight Time,
> ohio-talk at nfbnet.org  writes:
>
> Hello  Nicole,
> I  can tell you from personal  experience that sometimes it is  necessary
> to
> go to the next  step when the powers that be are not willing to   work with
> you  when you ask for reasonable accommodations.
> While there  are   some risks when you go from the Soft Approach and
> Internal
> Mediation  sometimes  you have to decide that you need to go  outside  the
> agency you work for even if  this is somewhat   intimidating.
> Sometimes people want to make it difficult  for  someone  in hopes that
> they
> will give up and leave their  position.
> As   Marianne said a good paper trail is your best  bet.
> Document,  document,  document.
> You are the only person  who can decide what you  want to do in  this
> situation.
> I  would like to encourage you to go  to the next step sooner  rather  than
> later because the more you allow  people to ignore their  agreement  and
> reasonable accommodation request  the more they  will do so.
> Colleen  Roth
>
>
> ----- Original  Message  -----
> From: via Ohio-talk    <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To:   ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date:   Friday, May 23, 2014 11:09:15  PM
> Subject: [Ohio-talk] looking for    advice
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am not  one  to  put messages on the  list very often and when I  do,
>> it
> is
>>  typically responding to someone  else's   message.
>> I  am looking for some  advice from   others though...ffget an idea of
>>  what
>
>> others might do in  my situation.  I apologize for  the  length.
>> Just some quick  background   information first.  I am  legally   blind.
>>
>
> I
> am
>>  finishing my   12th  year of teaching in an inner city public school
> system
>>   as a  special education teacher.  I have  taught in   the  same school
> district
>> for my entire career.  They  hired  me  knowing that I was legally
>> blind
> and
>>  might  need a couple  reasonable accommodations.  For 10 years  or so,
>> the  district's  administration was very helpful and  very  willing to
>> provide
> any
>> reasonable   accommodations to  me I requested.   I  certainly wasn't
> pushy
> and only
>> asked for things that were    essential.  They were  always more  than
> willing
>>  to comply  with my requests  and never questioned  anything.   Even
> during
>
>> those 10  years, I  had  several different principals, 2 different
>>   Special Education directors, and a  couple different    Superintendents
>>
>> that I
> worked under.
>>  For  the  most part,  with the  exception of one principal that  caused
>> problems for  everyone, I had no issues  with  any  administration and
>> any
> requests I
>>  made.  The  one issue I did have with the  principal, the
>> Superintendent
> at
>> the time quickly corrected the  issue.
>> In the last couple years, we have  acquired  a  new  Superintendent, a
> new
>> Special Education director,  and  new   principals.   The response I
> have
>>  received from the  current administration has been  very  different.
>> At the  beginning of December  of  last  year, I made a request for a
>>   reasonable  accommodation to my principals.   They ignored  my
> request.
>
> I again asked
>> a couple more  times,  getting  more  specific and more direct each
> time...
>> .while still  being  professional  and  respectful.  I was still
> ignored.
> Then  at
>> the beginning of  January, I  contacted the Superintendent  in  an
>> attempt
> to
>>  resolve the issue,   which had worked the one other  time I had had
>> issues
> with
>> a  principal.  The   Superintendent also ignored  my  attempt to contact
> him
>> and  never   responded.  After discussing it with our union's    attorney
> (who
>> also happens to practice disability law),  it  was decided that I   would
>>
> file an
>> internal  ADA  complaint within the district.    I filed the complaint
> and
>>  chose to  have our union's attorney  act as  my  representation.   The
> district
>>  contacted   their  attorney who then contacted my  attorney.   After
> some
>
>> discussion and  despite  my anger, I agreed to mediate  the issue
>>  without
> the district
>> having to go   through the  investigation  process first.   Although I
> was
>
>>  angry because I felt   that the district's actions were   totally out of
>>
> line and
>> unnecessary,  I was not   going  into this with an attitude of "I'm out
>> to
> get
>>   them".   I just wanted to continue to be   treated in the  same  manner
>>
> I
> had
>> been for 10 years  and be provided  reasonable   accommodations when I
>>  requested them, nothing  more.   We  held a meeting where  it was
> myself,
> my  attorney,
>> the district's   attorney, and  administration.   We came to a written
> and
>>   signed  agreement between the district and myself as  to the
>> reasonable
>
>> accommodations  that I  needed and the district  was willing to  provide.
>>
>
>
> I  thought
>> with the  signed  agreement and my  dismissal  of the complaint, that
>> we'd
> all
>> be able to move  on   and I'd get what I  needed.  The  agreement was
> supposed
>> to  be  distributed to all administrators that  I work with  or under
>> so
> that
>> they were  aware of the agreement and its  contents.   About  2 weeks
> later, I
>> was   speaking to one of the administrators  and  I mentioned  the
> agreement....and
>> they  seemed  to be unaware of  the  agreement or its contents.   This
> concerned
>> me.  I  asked  a couple other  administrators  and received the  same
> response.
>>  So  I called my attorney and told  her my  concerns.  I  said "How can
>> I expect these people   to  follow an agreement that  they don't even
>> seem  to
> be
>> aware of?  I mean, that doesn't seem  very  fair to   them."   She then
> contacted
>>  the   district's  attorney and we ended up on a three-way  conference
> call.    I
>> explained my  concerns.  She did have  documentation that  all the
>>  administration had been informed of  it but stated that  she would
>> make
> contact  again
>> with the   Superintendent's  office and tell them that they needed to
>>  check
>
>>   again with their administrators to ensure they  were well aware of
>> the
> agreement
>>  and  expectations.  Again, I wasn't   out to  "get them"...I  was simply
> just
>> trying to prevent  another   issue.   This was like 2 months ago.
>> So,  now  comes today.  I was at a district level   professional
> development
>> meeting in which I was to be   provided a reasonable  accommodation
>> that
> would
>> allow me gain the information I needed  and fully participate  in  the
>> professional development.   Mind  you,  this  professional development is
>>
> information
>>  and  training on our  new state level  teacher evaluation
>> system....which
> in
>> turn, directly correlates  to my evaluation  and ultimately,  my  job.
>>
> So,  yes,
>> it is extremely  important  stuff.   The accommodation I was to be
>> provided  today was on the   signed agreement  we made months ago.  The
>> two   administrators who ran the professional development were  both
>>  people who
> were  provided
>> the  information....one of  which was ironically,  the Special Education
>>
>
>>  director.   Despite the   agreement, I was not   provided the
> accommodation.   I had to
>>  go  through  the training  without it.   Needless to  say,  I  am  angry
>>
> and
>> frustrated.    I  had 10 great years  with  no issues.   I've tried  very
>>
> hard to
>> work  with the current  administration and  have  tried to
>> understanding
> and
>>   forgiving.   I've given them  chances to make  things  right and  do
> the
> right
>>  thing.   They just  don't seem to care!!!
>> So, my  question  is......._what avenue  would you do  next?  Would you
>>  try
> and
>> mediate yet again, even though  they are   obviously refusing to follow
>> the
>
>> agreement that  is   already made?   Would you file a complaint outside
> the
>>  district?   What direction would you  take  from   here?   What
> suggestions do  you
>>  have?
>> Any  thoughts are   appreciated!
>> Thanks  in  advance,
>>   Nicole
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Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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