[Ohio-talk] [External] Re: OOD and braille instruction

Sat Jan 14 05:16:56 UTC 2017

I don't normally respond with one-liners but thanks for that response.  That is a satisfactory explanation.

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Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] [External] Re: OOD and braille instruction

The problem is that blind customers have rehabilitation needs that are very different from those of other disabilities because of the communication and travel training that they need. It takes experience for counselors to recognize the solutions necessary to get successful training for the clients. You can already see the problems with counselors not understanding the importance of Braille for adult consumers. Robbie stipulates that trained counselors in a single agency could do the job, but that is exactly what we would not get. Blind people would be assigned to general counselors, and the quality of services offered would tumble. I have read statistics showing that people coming through a blindness commission are much better equipped to get and keep jobs than those coming through general agencies.

Barbara
Barbara Pierce
President Emerita
National Federation of the Blind of Ohio Barbara.pierce9366 at gmail.com
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The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:24 PM, Robert Spangler via Ohio-Talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Can you please explain to me the importance of having separate bureaus?  Why not just have OOD with counselors which specialize in mental disabilities, those that specialize in blindness, etc?  What's the importance of the structure?
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> Eric Duffy via Ohio-Talk
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> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] [External] Re: OOD and braille instruction
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> I don't participate much on this list these days, but this discussion is too important too pass by. In all but a few cases a blind person should always be asigned BSVI.
> Blindness is the primary disability.
> 
> As far as the name goes I just want to remind everyone that it is imrotant that we get it right even if they don't. We have often had to fight to keep a separate bureau. We must understand the structure and  at the worst defend it as it is, and at best improve it. Ohio  has  a real budget  crisis and Human Services is always easy pickings.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Jan 6, 2017 10:13 AM, marianne via Ohio-Talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I would like to add that there are times when an individual has a counselor who is not working under BSVI. This further causes problems. It also seems like there is constant turnover in BSVI so the counselors have no knowledge of blindness or the needs of people who are blind.
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>> From: Ohio-Talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Payne, Richard (Synchrony Financial) via Ohio-Talk
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>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] [External] Re: OOD and braille instruction
>> 
>> Yes this is correct but when Bob and others email us they reference 
>> to OOD  not BSVI. I think it is very easy to say the name wrong. I 
>> was in a meeting with OODD and another group last year and they  
>> constantly refered  to NFBO as AFB so that is common. I do agree that 
>> the name is important. Richard
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>> barbara.pierce9366--- via Ohio-Talk
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>> Subject: [External] Re: [Ohio-talk] OOD and braille instruction
>> 
>> Please, let’s get it right. OOD is the new name for the Rehabilitation Services Commission, not BSVI. Richard made this slip on the convention platform, and Bob Nicholson corrected him instantly. This may not seem very important to some of us, but we undermine our contention that we are serious players at the state level when we get these names wrong. Sorry to be passionate about this, but I do think it is important. RSC became OOD. BSVI has been BSVI since the seventies when its name was changed from BSB, the Bureau of Services for the Blind.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Barbara
>> Barbara Pierce
>> President Emerita
>> National Federation of the Blind of Ohio Barbara.pierce9366 at gmail.com
>> 440-774-8077
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Marianne Denning via Ohio-Talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does everyone remember that at our state conventions we have been 
>>> told that bblind adults do not want to learn braille in Ohio so it 
>>> is not needed here? Also, on the rare occasion when someone requests 
>>> braille the individual is referred to Hadley. I have been doing some research.
>>> I have learned that when braille is recommended by a rehabilitation 
>>> teacher OOD counselors will not provide the service. I have also 
>>> learned that if someone wants other training from a vision rehab 
>>> therapist it is usually limited to four hours of service. I 
>>> understand this is in an effort to hold down costs but this severely 
>>> limits the ability of a blind adult to learn skills to live 
>>> independently. I do not blame the counselors for this but the people at the top of OOD.
>>> 
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>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>>> (513) 607-6053
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