[Perform-talk] Talent Show?

Ignasi Cambra ignasicambra at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 17:13:07 UTC 2011 

Jorge,
As somebody said earlier on this list, stop complaining and do something to help if you want. I haven't been an NFB member for a long time but I was at convention last year. I saw how hard members of the performing arts division worked in order to make the talent show and everything else happen, and I do believe that if the recording quality and stage sound weren't better it's because right then and at that particular point in time, they couldn't be improved. I have performed a lot and in many places, with many conductors, many orchestras. I have also had to use all kinds of instruments. Some are better and some are worse. What's clear is that the quality of our work does not always depend on how good the recording is or on how good the speakers sound. If things can be improved, then I'm sure they will improve. But if there are no funds or funds must be used for more important matters such as the Sound and Sight cd's then people will have to work with what we have and with whatever equipment that other members want to contribute with.
A couple of weeks ago I broke a string in the middle range of the piano while playing the Liszt b minor sonata in a recital. I could have stopped and complained about the fact that the piano was not ready for the concert or I could have yelled asking for the string to be replaced immediately. But I just kept playing because that's what anybody in their sane mind would have done. Would I have done the same if somebody from Sony had been there? Of course I would! Some things sounded really crappy with a broken string, which made two notes basically unplayable. But there was nothing I could do about it other than to make sure that the piano is in a better condition next time.

On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Jorge Paez wrote:

> Dennis:
> With all due respect,
> do you not realize how hypocritical the statement below sounds?
> (I'm quoting here).
> 
> "…The talent show is just another way to enjoy the convention, and the careers of blind people are not on the line."
> 
> How can they not be?
> My reputation as an artist, our reputation as a division, and our NATIONAL reputation are all 3 on the line when we perform live, specially when the event is broadcast over the web.
> 
> Take it from one who is starting his career in the field of audio production,
> shall we slack ourselves and our standards because its "an in house event?"
> 
> What if we were to learn one day that so and so, a Sony producer or one of those were going to listen in to our show?
> Would we then triple our efforts?
> 
> Do you not realize that we must enforce these high standards on and off the stage?
> In and out of convention?
> 
> And do we not have the NATIONAL to help with these kinds of events?
> We are not the "national federation of blind performers" we are a division of the NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND!!!
> 
> Are we not supposed to be the oldest,
> the most powerful representative group for the blind, and by the same token, are we not a division of such a group?
> 
> Do we not preach equality?
> 
> Do we not preach that we should show the best of ourselves?
> 
> Just because we find ourselves amongst our own people in convention is NO EXCUSE for poor quality.
> 
> I don't care if only federationists listen to us, or if Sony listen to us.
> Our standards should be the same.
> 
> And listen to your people… these are musicians, producers, audio personnel complaining.
> 
> If it were some random federationist who has nothing to do with audio its one thing, but we are a group of professionals in the field are we not?
> And yet you ignore it as "talk?"
> Shocking!!!
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Dennis HR Sumlin wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks.
>> The division puts lots of time and effert into promoting the talents of blind people. See, sound in Sight Volumes 1 and 2, and the Mary Anne Parks scholarship. The talent show is just another way to enjoy the convention, and the careers of blind people are not on the line. If the division were to get imagination fund money, we would put it towards projects that put blind people out there in the mainstreem market. I guess this talent show issue just gives some people something to talk about.
>> 
>> And the beat goes on.....ever lasting.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>> 
>> Hello Lisa and everyone,
>> 
>>  And when the potential careers of blind performers are on the line that
>> funding must be found or the division should take advantage of free offers
>> of help when it is given. Two such offers have been made thus far.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Ostrow" <ostrow5 at comcast.net>
>> To: "Performing Arts Division list" <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>> 
>> 
>> If we had the funding to rent the equipment, such as stage monitors, we
>> surely would.  It all comes down to funding, really.
>> 
>> Lisa
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Performing Arts Division list" <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>> 
>> 
>>> I couldn't even hear myself, as I was singing with Sarah.
>>> I also had trouble hearing Julie.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/11, Sarah Alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> No insolt. I did offer to help and learn the equipment. ok I'm not any
>>>> good
>>>> but I bet I could have done better then who ever did it last year. the
>>>> mix
>>>> was awful! the sound system coild not be heard in the back. over all the
>>>> performance just all around sucked. Ok not the performers, all of them
>>>> were
>>>> very very very good, but the ingineer just sucked majorly.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care.
>>>> Sarah Alawami
>>>> 
>>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>>>> http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact
>>>> me
>>>> my info is below.
>>>> 
>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi. I wonder why this is such sn issue. I mean there are lots of blind
>>>>> folks out here who specialize in audio production. I mean if you told me
>>>>> the video wasn't great I'd say ok that's a little more understandable
>>>>> but
>>>>> for sound to be poor quality when that is our primary resource. Granted
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't know anything about the setup or who was involved. I'm just
>>>>> commenting after seeing these few posts today.
>>>>> Sorry if I insulted anyone just making an observation.
>>>>> bb
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brett Boyer
>>>>> Audio Production and voice over
>>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue"
>>>>> <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "Performing Arts Division list" <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello again everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Especially when sound quality has the potential to make or break the
>>>>>> career choices of budding blind entertainers. We have enough against us
>>>>>> having to overcome societies attitudes towards the blind. Poor quality
>>>>>> audio
>>>>>> produced by an organization whose stated mission is to dispel these
>>>>>> attitudes and promote the talents and abilities of the blind is
>>>>>> producing
>>>>>> the program.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>>>>>> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Performing Arts Division list" <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sarah:
>>>>>> I'm the same way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually to me it was quite bad. I asked if i could help but the guy
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> Oh no I work wiht my own people basically  so Yeah I don't think I'll
>>>>>>> participate if i go this year becaus of that. If theuy don't need my
>>>>>>> advice then so bee it. I won't perform. I like my sound perfect and
>>>>>>> perfect is the way I will have it.
>>>>>>> Sarah Alawami
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>>>>>>> http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to
>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>> me my info is below.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Dennis HR Sumlin wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The sound quality was not that bad at all last year, and the sound
>>>>>>>> workers were there to make sure that the sound for the stage was on
>>>>>>>> point. The quality was just fine. Of corce, there can always be
>>>>>>>> improvement, however, that may cost more money. If we were to get
>>>>>>>> donations for that purpose, then we could make that happen.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-talk] Talent Show?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here's hoping the audio quality of any broadcast of the 2011 talent
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>> will be much better than it was last year. We were told that sound
>>>>>>>> tech
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> coming in to handle the broadcast and expected quality similar to
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the national and several state convention streams broadcast during
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>> year. Pleas do your best to insure that this happens this year.
>>>>>>>> Addressing
>>>>>>>> this issue will do wonders to insure that concerns of this kind don't
>>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>>> here in the future. All the best.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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