[Perform-Talk] ncis episode on cbs
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Wed Apr 25 16:19:18 UTC 2018
True.
I feel like there has to be some coherent message or effort we as the Performing Arts Division would want to articulate, propose this to our national office somehow and from that point figure out who ideal stakeholders might.
Julie, what are your thoughts?
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I THINK WE WILL NEED TO REACH OUT TO OTHER ORGS AND GROUPS, TO PARTNER WITH ON THIS ISSUE. IT WILL TAKE A LOUD VOICE TO MAKE AN IMPACT, AND WE WILL NEED A BIGGER COLLECTIVE.
>
> BRIDGIT
>
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> The question becomes what’s next?
> We have the experiences that tell us that the performing arts are not as representative in terms of people with disabilities as we believe should be acceptable. What can we do as a division to mobiliZe an effort that would at least start to drive collective action in our larger movement to address the issues we have clearly identified here?
>
>> On Apr 24, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Julie McGinnity via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Great points!
>>
>> Bridgit, I agree. One issue with casting, both for film and stage, is
>> that it can be so subjective. If a casting director can't open their
>> mind to the possibility of a disabled actor playing an able-bodied
>> character, that actor may never get the part.
>>
>> My own experience is not specifically related to acting. I am a
>> singer and studied classically for many years. Here's what I took
>> away from my experiences with opera casting: I could play blind
>> characters. Once I was told that I had been cast as a blind character
>> because all my sighted colleagues were playing sighted characters.
>> If, however, a blind character was not available, I had to do
>> absolutely everything in my power to act sighted on stage. In grad
>> school, the pressure to act exactly like a sighted person, no
>> missteps, no reaching indirectly for things, absolute trust in my
>> colleagues being where they were supposed to be, etc, terrified me.
>> What if I made a mistake? What if I tripped or misjudged or someone
>> ended up a few feet off center just when I needed to give them
>> something? I thought absolute perfection was the answer.
>>
>> I bring this up because these fears did not come to me in a vacuum. I
>> developed them after years of working with staging and casting
>> directors. In short, I knew that being a blind person playing a
>> sighted person would only work for others if they didn't see any
>> blindness in me. Maybe casting directors don't know what to expect
>> when it comes to disabled actors. I love your point about theater
>> needing to make people uncomfortable. Even if we aren't ready for
>> white people playing Martin Luther King, we could work on blind people
>> playing sighted characters or turning a role into a blind person.
>>
>> This is absolutely one of my pet projects. I love this discussion so
>> much and could go on and on about it forever. :) It would be super
>> neat to interview blind actors.
>>
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>> On 4/23/18, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Perform-talk
>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> For decades, POC were not considered for roles unless the character
>>> was specifically a POC. In 2018, while more needs to be done, a huge
>>> shift has happened in casting POC regardless if the character calls
>>> for that. So I think the same needs to happen for disabled actors.
>>>
>>> I have a playwright friend, and we've been having this discussion
>>> that what keeps a lot of PWD from auditioning is we know we won't be
>>> cast or given a fair shot unless the character is specifically
>>> disabled. It's really opened up her perspective, which is great, but
>>> it just shows how far we have to go yet.
>>>
>>> Another playwright friend has centered his career around educating
>>> and advocating for the black community, Michael Oatman. But he loves
>>> to be edgey and experimental. He did a play about Martin King jr. and
>>> cast a white actor as King, ala Hamilton, as a comment on race and
>>> race relations, and he was met with scathing reviews. Our culture has
>>> not reached a point where the reverse is possible. Oatman is black
>>> himself, but he says he wants to think beyond race and ethnicity, and
>>> ultimately, he believes, if theatre doesn't make you a little uncomfortable, you're doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> In a utopia, I say cast white people as black characters and have
>>> abel-bodied actors play disabled roles and just let pretend truly
>>> happen and allow our imaginations to grow and evolve. But it's not a
>>> perfect world, and when both POC and PWD have been historically kept
>>> away from the arts, not given equal opportunity, we need to push for
>>> equality and true diversity within the arts.
>>>
>>> I have no problem if a abel-bodied actor is cast as a disabled
>>> character, but if several PWD audition and were not considered, and
>>> they have the chops, there's a big problem. And if casting directors
>>> are not casting a wide net for these roles, intentionally seeking
>>> disabled actors for roles specific to disability, there's a huge
>>> problem. And if we walk into an audition, and casting directors
>>> question why we are auditioning when the role is not specific to our disability, there's a huge problem.
>>>
>>> Kate Mulgrew can audition to be a female Starfleet captain and a
>>> Russian criminal, and she could also be cast as a blind character or
>>> a person in a wheelchair, and few will blink an eye. But if a
>>> disabled actor, who is just as good and maybe better of a performer
>>> auditioned for these roles, would they get it? Not likely. So, when
>>> there's more of a balance, I will totally support actors of all
>>> backgrounds playing roles specific to disability, but until then, I think it's unfair.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-Talk] ncis episode on cbs
>>>
>>> Speaking to the thought regarding minority groups and casting, Kate
>>> Mulgrew, an Irish-American woman. was cast as such when playing
>>> Kathryn Janeway in Star Trek Voyager,, but interestinglly enough
>>> was cast an russian woman when she took on the role of “Red” in Orange is the New black.
>>> There have been situations where a role has been changed to fit the
>>> person who tried out for the role because the person who tried out
>>> fit what the director really needed. Chandra Wilson comes to mind.
>>> Wilson, and African-American woman was not the white blonde they
>>> wanted to fill the role of Dr. Maranda Bailey on Grey’s Anatomy but
>>> those of us who watch the show couldn’t imagine anyone else because her personality fits the show.
>>> I suppose it truly depends, but just my thoughts for what they may be
>>> worth.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Julie McGinnity via Perform-talk
>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for a great discussion!
>>>>
>>>> First, and most important, good for Katelyn and Maria for auditioning!
>>>> I'm so glad we had some of our number in the running!
>>>>
>>>> As for the topic of blind and otherwise disabled people in the
>>>> acting/performing industries, I believe we have a few issues at hand.
>>>> It is true that if a role calls specifically for a black, Hispanic,
>>>> etc person, no one outside of that description would be hired. But
>>>> I wonder if it is easier for people in other minority groups to
>>>> transfer into roles where there might not be a specific
>>>> characteristic given or required. I am much more familiar with
>>>> stage acting than film acting, so maybe I am totally off and film
>>>> acting isn't open-ended like that at all. I'm thinking here about
>>>> various identity or career-related characteristics. Teachers,
>>>> mothers, active children, even kings and queens. Would it be
>>>> difficult for most people to seamlessly envision transitioning a
>>>> blind person into those roles? We know that blind people could most
>>>> certainly play teachers, mothers, active children, and kings and
>>>> queens. Why not? Unfortunately, society does not always think like the members of the National Federation of the Blind.
>>>> If we're talking other minority groups though, they would be more
>>>> likely, I believe, than blind and disabled people to be cast in
>>>> those roles. Let's be real... We can probably all find members of
>>>> other minority groups in those roles on tv or in movies.
>>>> I've done a lot of reading on this topic, and it's quite interesting
>>>> to me. Our community is often divided on whether or not sighted
>>>> people should ever play blind characters.
>>>>
>>>> I would be most interested to hear from the actors on this list,
>>>> like Maria. How would this be approached in your training? Are you
>>>> encouraged to audition for sighted roles at all? I would imagine
>>>> so... But where are the boundaries between unrealistic and
>>>> believable? For example, the sighted world may not be ready to see
>>>> a blind detective on Law and Order, but a blind lawyer? Probably.
>>>> How are blind actors taught to think about these things? Or am I
>>>> just completely overthinking them? Perhaps the rule is to audition
>>>> for anything, no matter your blindness?
>>>>
>>>> Going back to my point about other minority groups, research has
>>>> been done showing that Hollywood does not treat disability as though
>>>> it is diversity. There are plenty of movements that seek to
>>>> diversify casts, but they don't include disability most of the time.
>>>> Again, our community is divided on the reason for this. Some say
>>>> that there aren't qualified blind actors out there. Some say that
>>>> we're not given chances and can't get experience. Maybe it's a
>>>> little bit of both. All you job seekers know what it feels like to
>>>> hunt for a job that requires experience no one will give you.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Julie
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>>>> On 4/22/18, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Perform-talk
>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I agree, she would be great as a presenter for National.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Perform-talk <perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>> Amy Sabo via Perform-talk
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 3:58 PM
>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Amy Sabo <amieelsabo at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-Talk] ncis episode on cbs
>>>>>
>>>>> hello darron,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for your kind words on this topic. that's why I decided to
>>>>> post this to the list for others beside myself to post this thread
>>>>> to the list! it was kinda of getting kinda of quiet here and, I
>>>>> thought some lovely discussion on this topic would serve on this list!
>>>>>
>>>>> as to me and my feelings on how blindness was portrayed in this
>>>>> episode I thought that it was portrayed in a very positive manner
>>>>> and, and it was kinda of humerous for ncis which is a drama show on
>>>>> cbs and, not a comedy!
>>>>> as for the convention as for having her speak for the division
>>>>> meeting I think this would be a excellent idea for a panel on blind
>>>>> actors or just having her speak alone. I also think that president
>>>>> ricabanno should have her speak during general sessions. that would
>>>>> make for a good presentation on the agenda for general sessions.
>>>>> national has had some knowledgeable speakers at convention like
>>>>> many I have told here like Dianne Quinn, chris Matthews of hard
>>>>> ball, and many others too! I think that's something that the board
>>>>> should bring that the president ricabanno's attention and, also
>>>>> have the above as presenters for the division meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> that's just my thoughts and ideas. thanks again and, I will talk to
>>>>> you soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hugs,
>>>>> amy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/22/18, Darian Smith via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I think that it is great that we are having this conversation. I
>>>>>> know that The National Federation of the Blind was consulted when
>>>>>> it came to this episode, and my understanding was that a blind
>>>>>> actress was selected to fill the role.
>>>>>> Of course, these are positive things and is a victory in that
>>>>>> blind people are being truly considered in matters that pertain to us.
>>>>>> how did people enjoy the episode? how did you feel blindness was
>>>>>> portrayed in the episode?
>>>>>> Brandon, you say that Marilee communicated to you in your talking
>>>>>> with her that she grew up a member of the NFB Is she still?
>>>>>> It would be interesting to find out how her involvement in the
>>>>>> federation shaped her beliefs in blindness and how those
>>>>>> impacted her career.
>>>>>> I don’t know what the performing Arts Division has planned for
>>>>>> national convention, but I wonder if she might be a good idea for
>>>>>> a presenter?
>>>>>> If nothing else, president Riccobono is looking for ideas for the
>>>>>> convention, and I wonder if she might be a great fit there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs via Perform-talk
>>>>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> Marilee is indeed legally blind, she has 20/400 vision and only
>>>>>>> peripheral vision from rod-cone dystrophy, so she is
>>>>>>> unequivocally "blind"!
>>>>>>> She also grew up as part of the NFB from what she has told me.
>>>>>>> If you can find some recordings of her play Truce, she tells her
>>>>>>> life story
>>>>>>> there:
>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tjdnv
>>>>>>> https://www.sfgate.com/performance/article/Theater-review-Impendi
>>>>>>> ng
>>>>>>> -b
>>>>>>> lindness-in-Truce-3269890.php
>>>>>>> She is from the Bay Area.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 12:09 AM, Katelyn MacIntyre via
>>>>>>> Perform-talk < perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I also submitted for the role of Annie B in the NCIS show, and
>>>>>>>> had some delightful exchanges with the casting directors while
>>>>>>>> they were considering. They did genuinely seem to desire to do
>>>>>>>> the right thing and hire a blind actress. I haven’t had time to
>>>>>>>> watch the episode yet, though I plan to do so, and of course I
>>>>>>>> have never met Marilee Talkington, the actress who was cast for
>>>>>>>> the NCIS in person, but there are several articles about her
>>>>>>>> online saying that she is “legally blind.” She also calls
>>>>>>>> herself a disability activist on her own website. Here is one
>>>>>>>> such article about an unrelated show describing her as blind:
>>>>>>>> http://lighthouse-sf.org/2010/
>>>>>>>> 03/09/marilee-talkingtons-truce-premieres-march-17-2/ So, it
>>>>>>>> does appear to me that NCIS did try to hire a blind actress. I
>>>>>>>> absolutely do agree, however, that there are far too many
>>>>>>>> disabled characters played by non-disabled people in the
>>>>>>>> entertainment industry, which needs to continue to be an
>>>>>>>> important topic of discussion and advocacy. I hope this is
>>>>>>>> helpful. It makes me so happy to know that several NFB people
>>>>>>>> auditioned for the part, even if we didn’t get it! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~Katelyn MacIntyre
>>>>>>>> www.katelynmac.com
>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/KatelynMacMusic @KatelynMacMusic Vice
>>>>>>>> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>>>>>>> Division
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 11:04 PM, Amy Sabo via Perform-talk <
>>>>>>>> perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> oh my gosh! I almost forgot about the actress who did the voice
>>>>>>>>> for rudragts! her name was Dianne quan and, as a matter of
>>>>>>>>> fact she was a speaker at general sessions at the nfb national
>>>>>>>>> convention in Louisville, ky in 2002. I knew of her through a
>>>>>>>>> article that was written about her in usa today in the life
>>>>>>>>> section and, she was also featured the summer or which issue of
>>>>>>>>> the nickeloden magazine.
>>>>>>>>> I will try to find those articles if anyone is interested in me
>>>>>>>>> posting them here on the list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> btw, sory for the misspellings it's late here so, I do
>>>>>>>>> apologize for that lol.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hugs,
>>>>>>>>> amy!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/18, Joseph Bundy via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There has been some famous blind actors. The girl who played
>>>>>>>>>> Kimmy on the show Rug Rats was blind. They converted all of
>>>>>>>>>> her scripts into braille.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/18, Maria via Perform-talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Amy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I actually auditioned for the role and this is why I know
>>>>>>>>>>> that many
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>> actresses auditioned. The day I auditioned, there were about
>>>>>>>>>>> 15 other blind ladies auditioning. I was ok with not getting
>>>>>>>>>>> the role as long as they hired someone who was actually blind.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's ok for this
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> happen and, let me tell you, it happens all of the time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be
>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> hire a white person to play the role of a black person as
>>>>>>>>>>> long as they consulted a black person first? I'm sorry, but
>>>>>>>>>>> to me this is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>> I sincerely hope that one day the disabled community will be
>>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> this industry, and not just as consultants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>> Amy
>>>>>>>>>>> Sabo via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:26 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Amy Sabo
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Perform-Talk] ncis episode on cbs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hello maria,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know that she was a sighted actress. as a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>> fact I googled her name from the synsopasis that I pasted in
>>>>>>>>>>> the message that I posted to the list to see if you were
>>>>>>>>>>> rifght or not and, you were!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know that they auditioned many blind actresses for
>>>>>>>>>>> this role and, that you know of them. I think that's
>>>>>>>>>>> something this division should address in the near future.
>>>>>>>>>>> yes, it was a shame that a blind actress wasn't portrayed
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of having a sighted portray this part. but, I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that it was portrayed in a good manner for the fact! but,
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for clarflying this and, I will talk to you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hugs,
>>>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/18, Maria via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it was a true shame that they did not hire a blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> actress for this role. I know many blind actresses
>>>>>>>>>>>> auditioned and it was unfortunate
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they decided to go with a sighted actress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Perform-talk [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sabo via Perform-talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Performing Arts Division list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Amy Sabo
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Perform-Talk] ncis episode on cbs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sory, for the late notice but, I should've posted this to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the list this past week but, due to personal issues in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> life I do apologize for this late notice. as you all know
>>>>>>>>>>>> this past Tuesday night on cbs ncis aired theepisode about a
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind actress who happened to be blind aired. I didn't know
>>>>>>>>>>>> if any of you caught this live or not which unfortunately, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't but, want to rewatch it or catch it online if
>>>>>>>>>>>> any of you including myself missed it! so, here is the link for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> show which aired on april 17,2018
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cbs.com/shows/ncis/video/mxTPUJVOdiZQhNejJzjU2Jf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ya
>>>>>>>>>>>> lU
>>>>>>>>>>>> FKY
>>>>>>>> lL/ncis-sight-unseen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in case you all didn't know what the episode was about or
>>>>>>>>>>>> not before you watch it so, you know what it was all about
>>>>>>>>>>>> here it is...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> • NCIS - Sight Unseen
>>>>>>>>>>>> Air Date: 04/17/18
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCIS searches for a petty officer suspected of assault who
>>>>>>>>>>>> escapes when the sheriff transporting him crashes into a lake.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, Torres works closely with Annie Barth (Marilee
>>>>>>>>>>>> Talkington), a key blind witness who heard vital evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to solve the case. (TV-PG L,
>>>>>>>>>>>> V)
>>>>>>>>>>>> •
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so, let's start some discussion on thistopic on this episode.
>>>>>>>>>>>> and, I want to hear you guys input, opinions, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, or thoughts on what you all thought it if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> watched it or not here on this list?
>>>>>>>>>>>> so, I will begin with my 2 cents worth. I thought the
>>>>>>>>>>>> episode was a very good way in blindness was portrayed in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> humerous way even though this show is a drama but, it showed
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness in a positive manner but, i'm glad that the nfb
>>>>>>>>>>>> got involved with this and, that thisd division was also
>>>>>>>>>>>> involved in getting people to be a part of this craft as
>>>>>>>>>>>> portraying actors in a positive manner of blindness. I also
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought I liked how she educated torris about blindness even
>>>>>>>>>>>> he had some misconceptions and, that the other agents
>>>>>>>>>>>> including gibbs didn't midjudge her or her abilities even though she was bblind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so, that's my 2 cents worth on this topic. so, let's keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> going!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hugs,
>>>>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Take Care and God Bless
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joseph S. Bundy
>>>>>>>>>> 1405-693-4771
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God
>>>>>>>>>> for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and
>>>>>>>>>> also to the Greek.-Romans 1:16 For we walk by faith, not by
>>>>>>>>>> sight.-2 Corinthians 5:7 Seeing that His divine power has
>>>>>>>>>> granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness,
>>>>>>>>>> through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own
>>>>>>>>>> glory and excellence.-2 Peter 1:3 Yet those who wait for the
>>>>>>>>>> LORD Will gain new strength; They will bmount up with wings
>>>>>>>>>> like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk
>>>>>>>>>> and not become weary.-Isaiah 40:31 Jesus said to him, “I am
>>>>>>>>>> the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the
>>>>>>>>>> Father but through Me.-John 14:6 He must increase, but I must
>>>>>>>>>> decrease.-John 3:30
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>>>> Julie A. McGinnity
>>>> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>>> Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of
>>>> Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>>>> 2 Cor. 7
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>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Cor. 7
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