From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 15:49:23 2026
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 10:49:23 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hello,
i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From lmentink7360 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 15:59:42 2026
From: lmentink7360 at gmail.com (Linda Mentink)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2026 09:59:42 -0600
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hi Kelsey,

I would trust her and try her for a while. Yes, your abdomen is used to support your voice, and that means that it and its muscles need to be strong. It should move out when you inhale and in when you exhale. I hope this helps.

Blessings and happy New Year to all!

Linda


On Jan 1, 2026 9:49 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
> Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 16:34:53 2026
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:34:53 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hi Kelsey:

Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.

As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.

Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From cdrobles693 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 17:04:26 2026
From: cdrobles693 at gmail.com (Chela Robles)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 09:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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I’m with Chris on this one actually my trumpet instructor couldn’t teach me how to feel the difference between my diaphragm so it took a guitarist whose a vocalist and a pianist that I knew to help me understand what he did was he placed some books on top of my Diaphragm area and he had me taken deep breaths through my mouth and his like a snake in a Notes and it worked like a charm while lying down on the ground. And I did this until the books were level on my stomach, so nothing felt like a balloon at the end and then when I went to do the deep breathing again, I would take a deep breath for my mouth and do it all over again. I honestly would do it for like five minutes until I got it right and then I increased that to 10 minutes day after all these years I still find myself doing this exercise so that way I can become better at playing the trumpet and last longer with my phrasing. This two should work with your singing.
Sincerely,
Chela Robles — Certified Literary Braille Transcriber
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2026, at 8:36 AM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi Kelsey:

Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.

As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.

Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 17:28:55 2026
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 12:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hello,
My lesson" actually a virtual lesson ′the teacher does teach in person, but it would cost way more since they would travel to me instead of me going to their home studio′, so not sure if this changes anything. Virtual lessons seem to be the new norm at least in my area due to convenience.
Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone 

> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:05 PM, Chela Robles via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I’m with Chris on this one actually my trumpet instructor couldn’t teach me how to feel the difference between my diaphragm so it took a guitarist whose a vocalist and a pianist that I knew to help me understand what he did was he placed some books on top of my Diaphragm area and he had me taken deep breaths through my mouth and his like a snake in a Notes and it worked like a charm while lying down on the ground. And I did this until the books were level on my stomach, so nothing felt like a balloon at the end and then when I went to do the deep breathing again, I would take a deep breath for my mouth and do it all over again. I honestly would do it for like five minutes until I got it right and then I increased that to 10 minutes day after all these years I still find myself doing this exercise so that way I can become better at playing the trumpet and last longer with my phrasing. This two should work with your singing.
> Sincerely,
> Chela Robles — Certified Literary Braille Transcriber
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 1, 2026, at 8:36 AM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelsey:
> 
> Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.
> 
> As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.
> 
> Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
>> Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone
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From daryl.swinson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 17:39:48 2026
From: daryl.swinson at gmail.com (daryl.swinson at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:39:48 -0600
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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I think the advice is sound, though incomplete. In the video below, the instructor discusses the entire core, not just the muscles that a crunch will activate and strengthen. I encourage you to listen to this and, just perhaps, take up yoga and work the other muscle groups she mentions to strengthen your entire core and supporting muscle groups. 😊

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWklEABS36M


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Hello,
i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 19:47:44 2026
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 14:47:44 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hi Kelsey:

The fact that your lessons are virtual may influence the way the teacher approaches this concept in the sense that he/she can't do the physical demonstration I described in my earlier message. For that reason, among others, I've always been a proponent of in-person lessons wherever possible. However, Covid has certainly shown us that virtual music lessons (both vocal and instrumental) can be done, and there are many teachers who do it well, including several current and former leaders of our organization. So I would be interested in hearing how other virtual teachers approach the concept of breath support and whether they also assign crunches as practice. In the meantime, you can certainly try it, and use the video Daryl linked to as a resource.
Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:30 PM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> My lesson" actually a virtual lesson ′the teacher does teach in person, but it would cost way more since they would travel to me instead of me going to their home studio′, so not sure if this changes anything. Virtual lessons seem to be the new norm at least in my area due to convenience.
> Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:05 PM, Chela Robles via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m with Chris on this one actually my trumpet instructor couldn’t teach me how to feel the difference between my diaphragm so it took a guitarist whose a vocalist and a pianist that I knew to help me understand what he did was he placed some books on top of my Diaphragm area and he had me taken deep breaths through my mouth and his like a snake in a Notes and it worked like a charm while lying down on the ground. And I did this until the books were level on my stomach, so nothing felt like a balloon at the end and then when I went to do the deep breathing again, I would take a deep breath for my mouth and do it all over again. I honestly would do it for like five minutes until I got it right and then I increased that to 10 minutes day after all these years I still find myself doing this exercise so that way I can become better at playing the trumpet and last longer with my phrasing. This two should work with your singing.
>> Sincerely,
>> Chela Robles — Certified Literary Braille Transcriber
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 8:36 AM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelsey:
>> 
>> Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.
>> 
>> As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.
>> 
>> Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>>>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
>>> Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone
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From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 20:11:23 2026
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 15:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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This teacher primarily teaches virtually, but she told me that if i ever wanted at intensive in person lesson, she would do it, but I would have to pay extra to cover her gas to get me me which seems to be a standard procedure, so I am okay with that. The other studio I was looking at offers online, in person at their studio, and in home lessons. their in home lessons seem to only cover a certain area around the studio which I live outside of, so i may not qualify for in home, but I did ask anyway since the owner seems really open to accommodating all types of students; we'll see what he says.
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> On Jan 1, 2026, at 2:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelsey:
> 
> The fact that your lessons are virtual may influence the way the teacher approaches this concept in the sense that he/she can't do the physical demonstration I described in my earlier message. For that reason, among others, I've always been a proponent of in-person lessons wherever possible. However, Covid has certainly shown us that virtual music lessons (both vocal and instrumental) can be done, and there are many teachers who do it well, including several current and former leaders of our organization. So I would be interested in hearing how other virtual teachers approach the concept of breath support and whether they also assign crunches as practice. In the meantime, you can certainly try it, and use the video Daryl linked to as a resource.
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:30 PM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> My lesson" actually a virtual lesson ′the teacher does teach in person, but it would cost way more since they would travel to me instead of me going to their home studio′, so not sure if this changes anything. Virtual lessons seem to be the new norm at least in my area due to convenience.
>> Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:05 PM, Chela Robles via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m with Chris on this one actually my trumpet instructor couldn’t teach me how to feel the difference between my diaphragm so it took a guitarist whose a vocalist and a pianist that I knew to help me understand what he did was he placed some books on top of my Diaphragm area and he had me taken deep breaths through my mouth and his like a snake in a Notes and it worked like a charm while lying down on the ground. And I did this until the books were level on my stomach, so nothing felt like a balloon at the end and then when I went to do the deep breathing again, I would take a deep breath for my mouth and do it all over again. I honestly would do it for like five minutes until I got it right and then I increased that to 10 minutes day after all these years I still find myself doing this exercise so that way I can become better at playing the trumpet and last longer with my phrasing. This two should work with your singing.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chela Robles — Certified Literary Braille Transcriber
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 8:36 AM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kelsey:
>>> 
>>> Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.
>>> 
>>> As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From annedonnellon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 21:01:57 2026
From: annedonnellon at gmail.com (annedonnellon at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Kelsey,
First question: When she had you lie down on the flor and try it, did you notice anything?
Have you tried doing crunches outside the lesson for at least a few days?  As someone else said earlier, yoga doeshelp strengthen the abdominal muscles, and I've worked with other voice teachers who recommend it.
While I have not been advised to do crunches in this context, I would say, at least give her a chance.
It is often easy for us to "turn around and run" when we disagree with someone's advice.  (Trust me, I have been known to do the same).  If she specializes in the styles you want to sing, it would be in your best interest to follow her lead, at least for a few months.  And if you don't see any improvements, communicate with her what you're feeling.  In a perfect world, you would come to a mutual decision as towhether you are a good fit.
Hope that helps and happy new year.
Annie

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Hello,
i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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From jana at janajackson.com  Fri Jan  2 01:52:15 2026
From: jana at janajackson.com (Jana Jackson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 19:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Perform-Talk] Questionable singing advice opinion needed
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Hi Kelsey, it is unusual advice, but not necessarily bad advice. I would suggest giving it a try and seeing what happens. If it doesn't work for you, you will know soon enough. At that point, you can just let her know. She just may have some unique teaching methods, so if you like her, just give it a chance! 😊

Jana


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Hello,
My lesson" actually a virtual lesson ′the teacher does teach in person, but it would cost way more since they would travel to me instead of me going to their home studio′, so not sure if this changes anything. Virtual lessons seem to be the new norm at least in my area due to convenience.
Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone 

> On Jan 1, 2026, at 12:05 PM, Chela Robles via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I’m with Chris on this one actually my trumpet instructor couldn’t teach me how to feel the difference between my diaphragm so it took a guitarist whose a vocalist and a pianist that I knew to help me understand what he did was he placed some books on top of my Diaphragm area and he had me taken deep breaths through my mouth and his like a snake in a Notes and it worked like a charm while lying down on the ground. And I did this until the books were level on my stomach, so nothing felt like a balloon at the end and then when I went to do the deep breathing again, I would take a deep breath for my mouth and do it all over again. I honestly would do it for like five minutes until I got it right and then I increased that to 10 minutes day after all these years I still find myself doing this exercise so that way I can become better at playing the trumpet and last longer with my phrasing. This two should work with your singing.
> Sincerely,
> Chela Robles — Certified Literary Braille Transcriber Sent from my 
> iPhone
> 
> On Jan 1, 2026, at 8:36 AM, Chris Nusbaum via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelsey:
> 
> Good question. I too haven't heard advice like this from a voice teacher, and I'm a bit surprised that a voice teacher would assign physical exercise of the kind you describe. That said, like any other subject, each teacher has a different approach to teaching certain concepts, particularly one as detailed as breath support.
> 
> As you likely know, the part of your body that is primarily used to support your breath while singing is your diaphragm, which is a muscle in the middle of your abdomen. For the best breath support, you're looking to breathe deeply from your diaphragm, with your shoulders down, without your chest raising. As far as I can tell, this doesn't have to do with the strength of the muscle; it has more to do with where the breath comes from. My first teacher had me lay on the floor in her studio, which forced me to breathe from my diaphragm, then put my hands on my diaphragm to feel how the muscle raises and lowers. As we went on, she laid on the floor with me and had me feel her diaphragm so I had an example to follow. Perhaps you could try this, either in or out of the session with your voice teacher. Remember too that no singer always gets it right every time—I still catch myself "chest breathing" when I'm in the higher end of my register, even after over 10 years of training.
> 
> Hope this helps. Please let us know how it's going.
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2026, at 10:51 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via Perform-Talk <perform-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> i booked a lesson with a teacher a couple weeks ago who has been teaching in schools for a while but is relatively new to my area. She seemed nice, but I'm not quite sure I trust her advice and was curious what you all think. i struggle with breathing and have for a while, so she proceeded to tell me that the reason I am having trouble getting a deep inhale without raising the shoulders is because of wak abdominal muscles and advised me to do crunches every day for a week and I would notice a difference. I have never been told by any previous teacher to do crunches; she actually had me get down on the floor during the lesion and do some so I could feel proper engagement. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that you don't use the abdominal muscles to inhale, only to supportthe realease of air when singing. I have another lesson with her on Monday, but I'm considering canceling it since I am not sure her advice is correct. For those of you who have more experience with this than I do, what are your thoughts? Have I been given incorrect advice and should not continue with the lessons or is this accurate technique? luckily the teacher allows booking one lesson at a time, so I can terminate at any time without losing anything. I chose this teacher because she specializes in contemporary genres which is what I'm interested in, but her advice on breathing has me a little concerned about the validity of her training.
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