[Pibe-division] [Cabs-talk] Petition to preserve the nemeth Uniform Braille system

[Jewel]

In the interest of learning more to have an educated opinion on the
matter, could you explain what UEB is and how it is different from the
current literary Braille? I know about NUBS, having taken part in
their survey, but I haven't heard of UEB. What would it do to literary
Braille, and how is it different from literary Braille and NUBS?

And for those who are against NUBS, what exactly do you dislike about
the code? What's the worst of it?

I haven't made an opinion one way or the other since I need more
information, so I'd love to hear from both sides of the coin.

~Jewel

On 10/26/12, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
> Antonio,
>
> You and I tried to talk this out last summer at the convention, and I
> recognize that we probably failed to change one another's mind.  This is a
> complicated
> issue, and people should voice their opinions, but it just isn't as simple
> as you are portraying it here.
>
> First, readers need to know that NUBS is not just the most modern version of
> Nemeth Code.  It is a braille code that includes literary braille as well
> and, like
> UEB, it changes literary braille as well.  In my opinion, and this is
> definitely a subjective judgement, NUBS has a greater impact on Literary
> braille than does
> UEB, so readers need to understand that NUBS would also change the braille
> that is read every day and not just affect math.  Readers may want to be
> sure they know what they are getting before making up their minds on this.
> There have been many opportunities over the past decade or more to
> participate in studies of both NUBS and UEB, something I have done, so this
> is not really debate that is all that new.
>
> You also did not mention that it is no longer just BANA who is talking about
> using UEB for literary braille and retaining Nemeth for technical and
> mathematical subjects.  We passed a resolution to that effect at our NFB
> convention last summer, the very convention where you and I talked about
> this.
> I also understand that the ACB passed something similar.  To leave that out
> of your note seems to me to be very incomplete.  A lot of us have studied
> this
> at great length, and it is true that we don't all agree, but I believe
> people need to sign any petition from a perspective of understanding the two
> codes and
> not out of fear or partial information.
>
> Finally if a decision is made on this, even if that position is one you do
> not like such as adopting UEB for literary braille and retaining Nemeth
> Code, we can
> then give some good consideration to how Nemeth can be modernized, and I
> think that is something we should do.  However, the Nemeth Code is not all
> that bad as it is.
>
> In my opinion, the big intent of a uniform code has been to standardize on
> upper and lower numbers.  I felt this was important at one time but now see
> that
> to do that either impacts literary braille or math braille that I feel has
> more drawbacks than what is gained by uniform numbers.  We're used to
> numbers
> being upper in literary braille and lower in math, so I just don't see the
> point in trying to solve that problem by adopting NUBS for literary braille
> or UEB for
> math.  Keeping the Nemeth Code for math and using UEB for literary braille
> makes complete sense to me and I supported the resolution that we passed on
>
> this last summer.  Braille just has to move forward, and while NUBS was
> finalized fairly recently, many of us have been aware of NUBS all along and
> have
> been following its development with interest but just feel a UEB/Nemeth
> approach makes the most sense.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:56:27 -0400, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>
>>Dear reader,
>
>>I would like to bring your attention to a petition concerning changes
>>to the Braille system in the United States.
>
>>The Braille Authority of North America will vote to adopt the Unified
>>English Braille this November. The body will likely retain the Nemeth
>>code for use in math and the sciences, but will change Braille in this
>>country to reflect adoption of the Unified English Braille used in
>>other countries.
>
>>BANA has given little effort and thoughtful consideration to Dr.
>>Abraham Nemeth’s most recent \work to make American Braille uniform.
>
>>It is my opinion that BANA is more concerned with unification of
>>Braille with other English-speaking countries than the impact changes
>>will have on education of all blind people who will study math and
>>science.
>
>>However, uniformity is vastly more important than unification. This is
>>especially true considering that the Nemeth code is unique to the
>>United States, and enables blind children to excel in their chosen
>>career paths in the hard sciences.
>
>>The Nemeth Uniform Braille System, NUBS, is the most up-to-date
>>revision to the Nemeth code in use today. It makes American Braille
>>usage uniform, and incorporates changes to the Nemeth code revision of
>>40 years ago.
>
>>BANA is moving towards adopting an older, outdated version of the
>>Nemeth code available.
>
>>Please sign a petition to preserve NUBS, and move blindness education
>>on a path to excellence. Let’s bring the Nemeth system into the 21st
>>century. Let’s give blind people a competitive edge. Let’s move
>>together towards one Braille system for all Americans. Let’s preserve
>>NUBS.
>
>>The petition is available here:
>
>>http://www.change.org/petitions/braille-authority-of-north-america-adopt-a-braille-code-that-supports-general-and-technical-readers
>
>>Sincerely,
>
>>Antonio Guimaraes
>
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