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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Barbara! What a gem and virtual
wikkipedia/encyclopedia (for us oldies but goodies) you are!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>National Organization of Parents of Blind
Children</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Cheadle, Barbara<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 18, 2008
3:42 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division]
[AERNet] Eating with a Fork</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>From: Barbara Cheadle, Editor, Future
Reflections</span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Table manners are important, but it
is not always easy for parents to figure out how to use nonvisual techniques to
teach or encourage those skills to their blind
kids. Most of the things parents are expected to teach are
things that we already know how to do, and we teach our kids using
the techniques that our mothers and fathers used to teach
us, and so on. Attitudes are certainly key, but beyond that, not
everyone is creative enough or confident enough to comfortably and quickly
translate their visual techniques into nonvisual adaptations--especially if
they've never seen it done, or have had limited exposure to role models to
emulate.</span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It's like someone who is right-handed
teaching skills to someone who is left-handed. Surely you can do it, but
it can be frustrating for both parties. Often the left-handed child has to
figure it out for him- or herself because the right-handed person's
techniques--way of grasping a pencil, holding a paring knife, and so forth--is
not comfortable or efficient for the left-handed person. </span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Barbara Pierce wrote an excellent article
about table manners for our Future Reflections readers a couple of years
ago. In fact, she has written a series of articles about social skills in
general which we make available in a hard copy social skills packet, or via
online links. Barbara also wrote some excellent pieces for the Braille
Monitor, under "Ask Miss Whozit." Here are some
links: </span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030513.htm">http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030513.htm</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr04/Issue1/f040107.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr04/Issue1/f040107.html</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr5/Issue1/f050107.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr5/Issue1/f050107.html</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr7/Issue1/f070104.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr7/Issue1/f070104.html</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm05/bm0510/bm051009.htm">http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm05/bm0510/bm051009.htm</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr18/fr05sf03.htm">http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr18/fr05sf03.htm</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0711/bm071112.htm">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0711/bm071112.htm</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm08/bm0806/bm080614.htm">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm08/bm0806/bm080614.htm</a></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><font size=3 color=purple face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple'>http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm06/bm0601/bm060107.htm</span></font></u><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Some years ago, our Maryland Parents of
Blind Children sponsored a program where we matched parents with a blind person
or couple who invited the family over for dinner. The understanding was
that the blind adult/couple did so for the purpose of showing parents how they
managed a household, cooked and served a meal, and handled table manners and
social skills in general. Parents were encouraged to ask frank
questions, ask for demonstations, and share their fears and
worries about those little skills that they either didn't know how to
teach, or had not been successful in doing so at that point. It was a
great program and helped a number of parents.</span></font><font size=1
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Just some thoughts and some resources to
consider.</span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Barbara Cheadle</span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andy & Sally Thomas<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 18, 2008
12:54 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division]
[AERNet] Eating with a Fork</span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>As a parent, I can sympathize with the
mom. I tried to get some guidance on teaching my child to eat neatly
starting at a very young age. I could not find anyone who would offer any
guidance. I agree that it is the parent's responsibility to teach the
child to eat neatly but it would be nice to have some suggestions on how to
make things work smoothly like using a plate with high sides and the hand over
hand instruction. We have managed to muddle along on our own but it's
just another way that I feel like we were ignored by the powers that be.</span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sally Thomas</span></font><font size=1
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:bookwormahb@earthlink.net" title="bookwormahb@earthlink.net">bookwormahb@earthlink.net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:LiveInSpirit@aol.com" title="LiveInSpirit@aol.com">LiveInSpirit@aol.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:egibbs@brazosportisd.net" title="egibbs@brazosportisd.net">egibbs@brazosportisd.net</a>
; <a href="mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org" title="aernet@lists.aerbvi.org">aernet@lists.aerbvi.org</a>
; <a href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org" title="pibe-division@nfbnet.org">pibe-division@nfbnet.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Re: [Pibe-division] [AERNet] Eating with a Fork<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I totally agree. It
may need to be the TVI's role to point out the problem and point the child's
parents to resources for help. <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original Message----- <br>
From: <a href="mailto:LiveInSpirit@aol.com">LiveInSpirit@aol.com</a> <br>
Sent: Dec 17, 2008 7:09 PM <br>
To: <a href="mailto:bookwormahb@earthlink.net">bookwormahb@earthlink.net</a>, <a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Well, it may not need to be that the TVI
does the direct teaching, but he/she may need to be the one that says,
"Hey, this child should be doing this" and get things rolling with
mom or cafeteria staff or whomever is going to actually address the deficit. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 12/17/2008 4:15:07
P.M. Central Standard Time, bookwormahb@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is a trend then. When I was in
elementary school in 1990s it was the TVI’s role to teach academic skills
and some associated skills like computers since you have to learn that to do
your notes and papers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u1:p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Then perhaps Emily should visit the home
and teach the child how to eat with a fork. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But still this is a stretch. You
tvis must think unless there is some underlying fine motor deficit or other
impairment that an 11 year old should know a basic skill by then. We are
talking about someone who is blind not mentally impaired. This is about
age appropriate expectations. You all can’t do it all. If you
start teaching and act responsible for living skills there will be no
time for academics. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u1:p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have been on the list for a
few years and have not heard of a 11 year old not knowing how to
eat? What is next? Are people so backward that they let such a
deficit slip until the child is 11? Surely cafeteria monitors or someone
noticed this before now. When I was in school we had a few cafeteria
monitors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></u1:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></u1:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Of course if you have time teach these
things. Go to the cafeteria and help your students. But Most of you
won’t have time. You are stretched thin to teach academics as it
is. Is eating skills part of ECC and social integration? Of course
it is. After all student who eats like a baby or culturally inappropriate
ways and dresses badly will not fit in. These needs should be
addressed. Perhaps an evaluation by a rehab teacher should occur.
The RT can cover eating skills and other living skills. I still contend
that the parent should facilitate this too. After all they are raising
the child and hopefully eating with their kid every night. Another
professional will see a child once a week. So since the parent is with
the child more, it only makes since for the parent to play a role too.
Just because a child is blind does not release the parent from doing their
parenting duty which is to raise their child. My parents covered some
basic stuff like opening cartoons and packages but a rt helped me learn
later. Once my parents saw it was possible they reinforced it. Just
say to use hands on and verbal instruction. Teaching such a skill is not
rocket science. Whatever happens I hope the child learns somehow.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
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From: LiveInSpirit@aol.com <br>
Sent: Dec 16, 2008 10:04 PM <br>
To: bookwormahb@earthlink.net, egibbs@brazosportisd.net,
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] Eating with a Fork <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>While I certainly agree that an OT and/or
parent may be able to/should teach eating skills, surely this is also
reasonable for a teacher of the visually impaired to cover as part of the
expanded core curriculum. And as far as why an 11-year-old hasn't been shown
how to do this up to this point is likely because mom and dad didn't read the
foundations book and do not know that it is reasonable to expect the child to
do this and/or they just weren't sure how to demonstrate a technique that works
well. It truly could be innocent ignorance rather than oversight/blow it off.
But, bottom line, I definitely think that there are times when teaching
such skills are absolutely the duty of the teacher, whether that means you
teach the student directly or the parent or maybe even an aide in the
cafeteria. Similarly, it is our job to cover other daily living skills such as
dressing, bathing, etc. Others at the school may not realize the kids with
visual impairments can do these things for themselves. Do some observations in
the cafeteria and you may be shocked to see that your students, even your most
advanced ones, may be struggling with eating skills and need help in this
area. Needs could range from not knowing how to open condiment containers,
being unable to salt food, pouring salad dressing, spreading butter on bread,
cutting meat, finding food on eh plate without using the fingers, opening
a milk carton, etc. These are all things I think we should address with our
students as certified, trained vision teachers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 12/16/2008 8:48:09
P.M. Central Standard Time, bookwormahb@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi Emily,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>It is not your responsibility as a TVI to teach
students to eat. However you probably should to further her
success. Tell the parent politely she should assist her child too.
Explain that all is needed is some hand over hand guidance. My
reaction is something sounds very very wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Why is an eleven year old not eating with a
fork? Is she multiply impaired? Even cognitively delayed and intelectually
(retarded) impaired children eat with forks. Unless there is a severe
disability why is she not doing this? The parents have failed terribily
in waiting til a child is 11 to address eating. Shame, Shame! Angel
has a good point. Parents need to take more initative and not baby their
children unless they are babies. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>That being said, I am surprised the OT does not
have a hand in teaching this too. This requires fine motor
coordination. I am assuming the 11 year old child was seeing the OT to
address motor deficits. Can you tell us more such as what the child's
goals were in OT? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I find it hard to believe the only concern of
the mom was the eating issue. If she had not been eating correctly, I
think there were likely other problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>So although it is certainly the parent's
responsibility, this IMO falls into OT as well. I think I learned eating
skills at home and it was reinforced by teachers and staff at school.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ashley<br>
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From: "Gibbs, Emily" <br>
<EGIBBS@BRAZOSPORTISD.NET>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:35 PM <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was just contacted by the OT in my
school district and she is apparently dismissing one of my blind students from
service. She had just discussed this with the parent and the
parent’s only concern was the fact that this 11year old can not eat with
a fork. The OT wanted to know if I would be willing to do a home
visit in order to help them teach this student to eat with a fork at home. </span></font><font
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