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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>From:
Barbara Cheadle, Editor, Future Reflections</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>Table
manners are important, but it is not always easy for parents to figure out
how to use nonvisual techniques to teach or encourage those skills to
their blind kids. Most of the things parents are expected to
teach are things that we already know how to do, and we teach our kids
using the techniques that our mothers and fathers used to teach
us, and so on. Attitudes are certainly key, but beyond that, not
everyone is creative enough or confident enough to comfortably and quickly
translate their visual techniques into nonvisual adaptations--especially if
they've never seen it done, or have had limited exposure to role models to
emulate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>It's like
someone who is right-handed teaching skills to someone who is left-handed.
Surely you can do it, but it can be frustrating for both parties. Often the
left-handed child has to figure it out for him- or herself because the
right-handed person's techniques--way of grasping a pencil, holding a paring
knife, and so forth--is not comfortable or efficient for the left-handed
person. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=358310121-18122008></SPAN><SPAN
class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>Barbara
Pierce wrote an excellent article about table manners for our Future Reflections
readers a couple of years ago. In fact, she has written a series of
articles about social skills in general which we make available in a hard copy
social skills packet, or via online links. Barbara also wrote some
excellent pieces for the Braille Monitor, under "Ask Miss Whozit."
Here are some links: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030513.htm">http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030513.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr04/Issue1/f040107.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr04/Issue1/f040107.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr5/Issue1/f050107.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr5/Issue1/f050107.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr7/Issue1/f070104.html">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr7/Issue1/f070104.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm05/bm0510/bm051009.htm">http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm05/bm0510/bm051009.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr18/fr05sf03.htm">http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr18/fr05sf03.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0711/bm071112.htm">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0711/bm071112.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><A
href="http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm08/bm0806/bm080614.htm">http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm08/bm0806/bm080614.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3><U><FONT
color=#800080>http://nfb.org/legacy/bm/bm06/bm0601/bm060107.htm</FONT></U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>Some years
ago, our Maryland Parents of Blind Children sponsored a program where we matched
parents with a blind person or couple who invited the family over for
dinner. The understanding was that the blind adult/couple did so for the
purpose of showing parents how they managed a household, cooked and served a
meal, and handled table manners and social skills in general.
Parents were encouraged to ask frank questions, ask
for demonstations, and share their fears and worries about those
little skills that they either didn't know how to teach, or had not been
successful in doing so at that point. It was a great program and helped a
number of parents.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>Just some
thoughts and some resources to consider.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=358310121-18122008><FONT size=3>Barbara
Cheadle</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org
[mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andy & Sally
Thomas<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:54 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Professionals in Blindness Education Division List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Pibe-division] [AERNet] Eating with a Fork<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>As a parent, I can sympathize with the mom. I tried to
get some guidance on teaching my child to eat neatly starting at a very young
age. I could not find anyone who would offer any guidance. I agree
that it is the parent's responsibility to teach the child to eat neatly but it
would be nice to have some suggestions on how to make things work smoothly
like using a plate with high sides and the hand over hand instruction.
We have managed to muddle along on our own but it's just another way that I
feel like we were ignored by the powers that be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sally Thomas</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bookwormahb@earthlink.net
href="mailto:bookwormahb@earthlink.net">bookwormahb@earthlink.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=LiveInSpirit@aol.com
href="mailto:LiveInSpirit@aol.com">LiveInSpirit@aol.com</A> ; <A
title=egibbs@brazosportisd.net
href="mailto:egibbs@brazosportisd.net">egibbs@brazosportisd.net</A> ; <A
title=aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
href="mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org">aernet@lists.aerbvi.org</A> ; <A
title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org">pibe-division@nfbnet.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division] [AERNet]
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<P>Hi,</P>
<P>I totally agree. It may need to be the TVI's role to point out the
problem and point the child's parents to resources for help.
<BR><BR><BR></P>
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Message----- <BR>From: <A
href="mailto:LiveInSpirit@aol.com">LiveInSpirit@aol.com</A> <BR>Sent: Dec
17, 2008 7:09 PM <BR>To: <A
href="mailto:bookwormahb@earthlink.net">bookwormahb@earthlink.net</A>, <A
href="mailto:egibbs@brazosportisd.net">egibbs@brazosportisd.net</A>, <A
href="mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org">aernet@lists.aerbvi.org</A>, <A
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<DIV>Well, it may not need to be that the TVI does the direct teaching,
but he/she may need to be the one that says, "Hey, this child should be
doing this" and get things rolling with mom or cafeteria staff or whomever
is going to actually address the deficit. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 12/17/2008 4:15:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bookwormahb@earthlink.net writes:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Hi,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">This is a trend
then.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When I was in
elementary school in 1990s it was the TVI’s role to teach academic
skills and some associated skills like computers since you have to learn
that to do your notes and papers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Then perhaps Emily should
visit the home and teach the child how to eat with a fork.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But still this is a
stretch.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You tvis must
think unless there is some underlying fine motor deficit or other
impairment that an 11 year old should know a basic skill by then.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are talking about someone who
is blind not mentally impaired.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is about age appropriate expectations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You all can’t do it all.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you start teaching <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>and act responsible for living
skills there will be no time for academics.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>I have been on
the list for a few years and have not heard of a 11 year old not
knowing how to eat? What is next? Are people so backward
that they let such a deficit slip until the child is 11? Surely
cafeteria monitors or someone noticed this before now. When I was
in school we had a few cafeteria monitors.</o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Of course if you have
time teach these things. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Go
to the cafeteria and help your students.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But Most of you won’t have
time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are stretched
thin to teach academics as it is.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Is eating skills part of ECC and social integration? <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Of course it is. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>After all student who eats like a
baby or culturally inappropriate ways and dresses badly will not fit in.
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These needs should be
addressed. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Perhaps an
evaluation by a rehab teacher should occur. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The RT can cover eating skills
and other living skills. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
still contend that the parent should facilitate this too. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>After all they are raising the
child and hopefully eating with their kid every night. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Another professional will see a
child once a week. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So since
the parent is with the child more, it only makes since for the parent to
play a role too. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Just because a
child is blind does not release the parent from doing their parenting
duty which is to raise their child. My parents covered some basic
stuff like opening cartoons and packages but a rt helped me learn
later. Once my parents saw it was possible they reinforced
it. </SPAN>Just say to use hands on and verbal instruction. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Teaching such a skill is not
rocket science. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Whatever
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>happens I hope the child
learns somehow.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Ashley</P><BR><BR><BR>
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Message----- <BR>From: LiveInSpirit@aol.com <BR>Sent: Dec 16, 2008
10:04 PM <BR>To: bookwormahb@earthlink.net, egibbs@brazosportisd.net,
aernet@lists.aerbvi.org, pibe-division@nfbnet.org <BR>Subject: Re:
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<DIV>While I certainly agree that an OT and/or parent may be able
to/should teach eating skills, surely this is also reasonable for a
teacher of the visually impaired to cover as part of the expanded core
curriculum. And as far as why an 11-year-old hasn't been shown how to
do this up to this point is likely because mom and dad didn't read the
foundations book and do not know that it is reasonable to expect the
child to do this and/or they just weren't sure how to demonstrate a
technique that works well. It truly could be innocent ignorance rather
than oversight/blow it off. But, bottom line, I definitely think
that there are times when teaching such skills are absolutely the duty
of the teacher, whether that means you teach the student directly or
the parent or maybe even an aide in the cafeteria. Similarly, it is
our job to cover other daily living skills such as dressing, bathing,
etc. Others at the school may not realize the kids with visual
impairments can do these things for themselves. Do some observations
in the cafeteria and you may be shocked to see that your students,
even your most advanced ones, may be struggling with eating
skills and need help in this area. Needs could range from not
knowing how to open condiment containers, being unable to salt food,
pouring salad dressing, spreading butter on bread, cutting meat,
finding food on eh plate without using the fingers, opening a
milk carton, etc. These are all things I think we should address with
our students as certified, trained vision teachers. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 12/16/2008 8:48:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bookwormahb@earthlink.net writes:</DIV>
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<P>Hi Emily,</P>
<P>It is not your responsibility as a TVI to teach students to
eat. However you probably should to further her success.
Tell the parent politely she should assist her child too. Explain
that all is needed is some hand over hand guidance. My
reaction is something sounds very very wrong. </P>
<P>Why is an eleven year old not eating with a fork? Is she
multiply impaired? Even cognitively delayed and intelectually
(retarded) impaired children eat with forks. Unless there is a
severe disability why is she not doing this? The parents have
failed terribily in waiting til a child is 11 to address
eating. Shame, Shame! Angel has a good point.
Parents need to take more initative and not baby their children
unless they are babies. </P>
<P>That being said, I am surprised the OT does not have a hand in
teaching this too. This requires fine motor
coordination. I am assuming the 11 year old child was seeing
the OT to address motor deficits. Can you tell us more such as
what the child's goals were in OT? </P>
<P>I find it hard to believe the only concern of the mom was the
eating issue. If she had not been eating correctly, I think
there were likely other problems.</P>
<P>So although it is certainly the parent's responsibility, this IMO
falls into OT as well. I think I learned eating skills at home
and it was reinforced by teachers and staff at school.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Ashley<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was just contacted
by the OT in my school district and she is apparently dismissing
one of my blind students from service. She had just
discussed this with the parent and the parent’s only concern was
the fact that this 11year old can not eat with a fork.
The OT wanted to know if I would be willing to do a home visit in
order to help them teach this student to eat with a fork at home.
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