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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is not/was not an exercise to learn
to mark answers. This was an exercise to learn the alphabet in the first place.
He had to find all the B’s, first by touch, then—by LOOKING and
marking with a pencil. He is not through even half way of the alphabet yet. I
am asking if this early is it typical to learn answer marking and also if it is
typical to do it visually—this had not tactile component to the circling.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brandy with Discovery Toys<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 07, 2009
9:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division] Is
this the way to teach akindergartenerBraille?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi, When I was little we would put the paper on a fome board
and they had us put thumb tacks in the letter that we were supposed to be
finding. We also sometimes circled it on one of those boards so we could feel
the imprint. It is common for kids who take tests to need the skill of
circling. I did this often growing up and then my test would be translated.
Hope this helps. Bran</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"We all have our time machines. Some take us back, they're called
memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams." <br>
Jeremy Irons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Brandy Wojcik<br>
Discovery Toys Group Manager and Educational Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Shop online any time!<br>
<a href="http://www.playtoachieve.com">www.playtoachieve.com</a><br>
(512) 231-8697<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Let me know if I can help with any of the following:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:andysally@comcast.net" title="andysally@comcast.net">Andy &
Sally Thomas</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org" title="pibe-division@nfbnet.org">Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, March
07, 2009 2:57 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach akindergartenerBraille?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My son has used sticky dots to mark things. When he
used a crayon or marker, he wanted to mark things so well he obscured what he
was marking and there was no way to move the mark to make a correction. I
guess this isn't a problem as much in kindergarten as it is later when kids are
more worried about the correct answer.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sally Thomas</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pumpkinracer@gmail.com" title="pumpkinracer@gmail.com">DrV</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org" title="pibe-division@nfbnet.org">Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, March
07, 2009 12:46 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach a kindergartenerBraille?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A few more thoughts. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My 1st grade son Petras (no functional vision) uses a crayon to circle
or mark numbers on his math homework & classwork - I think that is
perfectly fine & natural.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My older son (also no functional vision) transitioned to a
pen (which he could feel) once it was no longer age appropriate to be using a
crayon.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My wife modifies his Lithuanian Saturday school worksheets & we
have Petras similarly find letters or letter combinations with his fingers
& then he mark them off with a crayon (which he can feel) - this can all be
done tactilely without then looking at the letter; his sighted classmates also
circle print letters or letter combos with a crayon or pencil or pen ->
Petras is performing a similar task.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The marking actually seems reasonable to me & has functional
utility for a child to independently complete homework & classwork.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am less enthusiastic about connecting the lines - this seems less
functional. Seems to me the objective would help decide how appropriate
that is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As to the point avoiding feeling for the braille, Petras could write
his letters in English & Lithuanian long before he could recognize the dot
combinations. For the longest time he was not particularly interested in
feeling the specifics of what he actually wrote. It was really just a little
after he turned 7 that he really began to try to more intently figure out what
each dot combo represented. He has made wonderful progress this year. My eldest
son know all the letters tactilely by 2 1/2. Every kid is a little different.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Carrie Gilmer <<a
href="mailto:carrie.gilmer@gmail.com">carrie.gilmer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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Please everyone comment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm
attaching a Braille sheet that came home today. I get these many times a
week. Is it strange that Brian is instructed to circle and draw lines? It
appears that he is being directed to approach Braille visually. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please
tell me if this is normal or acceptable for teaching a low-vision child
Braille. Please tell me if this is so far out of the norm that I should
be very concerned. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thank
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Carolynn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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