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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks I had looked at that as applicable
and it is in my box, they said an intital IEP can not be developed without good
and thorough evals (which is good we want that) and they seemed to have no
thoughts with interim IEP-they were like HUH? and the only experience in
writing so far I can find with that is with those who come with eligibility and
some prior evals or Prior IEP—I am guessing now you are using the term
diagnostic to refer to 30 day interims…I can not find “diagnostic
IEP” or an interim for the specific purpose of providing service while
diagnosing in language in the law so far or even so far 30 day interim as a
legal rule or in the IDEA only just as a policy or practice... They seemed to
feel only 504 could provide anything at all now…not that they did not
want to necessarily, they were friendly and positive, they were just like we
CAN NOT do anything special ed wise instruction at all until he has an IEP, and
he can not have an IEP until we are done evaluating in 30 days after the
parents gives consent. There is another section too that states that once
determination of eligibility is made an IEP must be developed (at the end), but
then evals enter immediate prior to it in to the develop in the law
language—it seems like a catch 22. How do you know schools
“typically “ use this—can you point to anything in writing?
Or case law? For other than emergency behavior interventions or transfers?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Districts who deal with homeless children
and no records have some experience and I am looking in to the IDEA provisions
for that and school district and other state policies for that too, I have a
call in to my state dept of ed as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Has anyone as a teacher have a district
experience writing an Interim for a student with no prior records? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Denise Colton
[mailto:dlcolton@parkcity.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 04, 2009
1:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Carrie Gilmer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division]
Options on intital IEP--and adviceonbeginninghigh need</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Utilize Section 300.323 of the IDEA 2004 entitled When
IEPs must be in effect which states "At the beginning of each school year,
each public agency must have in effect, for each child with a
disability within it's jurisdiction, an IEP...". The child
inarguably qualifies for special education support. The 30 day diagnostic
IEP is what schools typically use when they have no records on a child to work
from and thus need to begin some services and evaluation simultaneously. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org" title="pibe-division@nfbnet.org">'Professionals
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am aware of this vaguely but have been
unable so far to find the law section that reads specifically
“diagnostic” IEP , can you point to it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org">pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>
[mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Denise Colton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 04, 2009
11:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division]
Options on intital IEP--and advice onbeginninghigh need</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>A thirty day diagnostic IEP can be written for students
for whom it is obvious they qualify for special education but have not yet been
evaluated. Special education staff use this period to provide
instruction, assess, and thus develop a better informed IEP at the end of the
30 days. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Denise Lowry <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Colton</st1:City></st1:place>,
PhD.<br>
Psychologist<br>
Park City Learning & Behavior Clinic, Inc.<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">2700 Homestead Rd Suite 151</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Park City</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Utah</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">84098</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
435.615.1407 (office)<br>
435.649.9561 (fax)<br>
<a href="mailto:dlcolton@parkcity.net">dlcolton@parkcity.net</a><br>
</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:carrie.gilmer@gmail.com" title="carrie.gilmer@gmail.com">Carrie
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href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org" title="pibe-division@nfbnet.org">'Professionals
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [Pibe-division] Options
on intital IEP--and advice on beginninghigh need<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Help/advise or experience here GREATLY appreciated:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Background is limited to this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>11 year old turning 12 in a few weeks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sighted until age nine: total vision loss due to hydrogen
explosion (massive facial burns and scarring/father killed in explosion)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Mandarin speaker, only here from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">China</st1:country-region></st1:place> to new family since July 09<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>School background is very sketchy: moved a lot and lots of
tension in divorce and back and forth—most consistent school was perhaps
in American medical foster care the last 18 months before he came here
Socialization: he seems to be much much younger emotionally right now (not
surprisingly)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> We know: he can write his name in print in Chinese,
shows some understanding letters make words and very basic counting <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Can do self care (bath, dress, feed, etc) and has been doing
chores as other siblings in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></st1:place>
since he came<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Picking up on English-showing signs of
intelligence/brightness at home<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>He wants to go to school like his new siblings, he wants to
learn—asking why they could start but not him yet…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Problem: parent wants to ease him in, he needs to be
evaluated and initial IEP—-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thinking of partial days and ELL first few weeks (also has a
plastic surgery scheduled in a few weeks so he will have some lost time after
starting if he starts in the next week or two)— school is offering
homeschool general ed instruction as an option and ELL as he is comfortable at
school to begin—(I am unsure what the general ed with no blindness
experience would do with him at home—we have not gotten that far yet as
far as the school knowing WHAT they would do—only that it is possible to
do it)—what are the school’s options to provide service during
intital eval and IEP development?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>How can we get some service during the eval
period—from day one upon entering the school? i.e. a para, some
orientation to the classroom and building, some rudimentary
“pre-braille” or alphabet instruction—so he is not just
sitting unengaged in the hour or so he may be in the classroom—also for
accommodations/access for ELL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Would we do 504 or does he meet eligibility as blind student
and an intitial baseline IEP can be written for during eval period? Anybody
have anything like this intital to get some service going right away? Or would
you do only Ell during eval period and wait to send him (could be at least two
months) until full IEP off evals for any service?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Thanks! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Carrie Gilmer <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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