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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well said, Denise! I'm glad we have teachers out there
like you who are spreading such Braille-positive messages.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It continuously amazes me how seldom common sense is applied
when many people teach blind kids. Concepts that are widely accepted as
educational must-haves, like teachers proficient in the material they teach, are
considered novelties or low priorities for blind kids. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Allison</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr.
Denise M. Robinson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:13
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division]
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<DIV>Poor teacher skills ARE directly related to poor student outcomes.
I have seen it over and over for the past 20 years as anyone else has in
the field who has good skills and see their students exel and
others who do not because of the teacher who is teaching them with poor
skills. </DIV>
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<DIV>You cannot teach what you do not know and students cannot learn
what you cannot teach them. You do not need formal research to know
this, though it would not be a bad idea to finally put such a foolish
notion to rest. But how many teachers with poor skills are going to
stand up and say "yes, please test me and show me how poor my skills are
and test my students to show everyone how far behind they are compared
to a teacher with good skills." <BR><BR></DIV>
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator for Blind/VI
students at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/6/10, Carrie
Gilmer <I><carrie.gilmer@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "'Professionals in Blindness Education
Division List'" <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR>Date: Sunday, June
6, 2010, 4:12 PM<BR><BR>
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Denise, exactly dead on right on. Thank you for not being frustrated,
bothered and angry in silence. Carrie</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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[mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Denise
Mackenstadt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Recently on AERnet I noticed a post that
bothered me. I have responded and I am sending this response to
the PIBE list. Every time I think that we are making progress
something like this comment is used to justify not providing for the
needs of blind kids. Here is the post and my response:</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Monaco; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Recently in response to
a question posted by Sheila one of the posts stated "Weaknesses:
1. still no published research proving or disproving that poor
teacher braille skills are responsible for poor braille outcomes for
students. Nevertheless, we've gone full steam ahead
addressing a "problem" that may not exist. Assertions by
advocacy groups are not evidence, nor are gut hunches. We need
DATA. And thus far no data exists." I find it
astonishing that an assertion is being made that teacher competency in
an essential skill to be taught to students is not relevant to student
outcomes. Lack of Data cannot take the place of
common sense or best practice. I cannot think of another subject
area, for example: Language Arts, Math, Science or Art, where a decent
state licensing entity will not expect an instructor to demonstrate
competence. As a parent I would be very concerned if my child's
English teacher could not read or write English. Let us not
throw out critical thinking as an alternative to non-existent DATA
Collection. I do not want to say that legitimate research and
legitimate data results are not beneficial to best practices.
But let us not sacrifice common sense to the altar of
statistics. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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