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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi, Denise - In such a situation, my first
(knee-jerk) response would be to try to find out WHY the kid is struggling.
There are many factors that could come into play, such as a learning disability,
not enough instructional time in the expanded core curriculum, the need for PT
or OT, etc. I would like to see a functional vision assessment done, and a
learning media assessment done. I would request an assistive technology
assessment. I would use the Michigan Severity Rating Scale to document the
services that should be provided. I would bring all the data generated by these
assessments to a team meeting and lay it out and say that this is what the kid
needs in the way of materials and in instruction. Now, who can provide this for
the child? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As a TVI, I have said outright to administrators
that I am not the best qualified person to teach a specific piece of (brand new)
technology... I had never used it before. So, I asked for - and received -
training in how to use it... and mentorship support. True, I had to do the
legwork and find my own trainer (after all, this is my world, and I hope I have
more networks than a public school administrator in the blindness world), but
they were willing to support my need... so I could support my student's.
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As a TVI in the trenches (for another 3 weeks...
and then I'm a retired TVI after 38 years of teaching), it's not my place to
evaluate the skills (or lack thereof) of my colleagues. That is where the
administration and the parents need to step up to the plate. Yes, sigh, I've
seen and heard stories of too many incompetent teachers - just as you have. I
think I'm always going to be the eternal optimist and try to find a way to fix a
situation through mentorship and networking. If they're there in the teaching
position, I'm going to try to help them get better each day. We don't have any
other pool to draw from. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Do you know of any more recent data than this...
there are about 40 teacher-training programs in the country. Collectively, they
graduate about 250 TVIs a year. I would guess this data is about 8-10 years old,
but based on the number of graduate students in my braille courses, I get 7 or 8
or 9 a year. In the past few years, I've run approximately a 50% failure rate in
my university braille courses (I teach 5 of them). So, I guess that sparks more
questions than it does answers. I probably had 15 students pass braille this
past year out of 30 something who enrolled. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I’m really enjoying this dialogue... </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sheila</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com
href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr. Denise M. Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 07, 2010 8:03 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Sheila</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not sure you would use these arguments if you had a blind child
who was at the bottom of the class, struggling and unable to meet his
potential due to the poor instructional skills of his
<SPAN>TVI</SPAN><BR><BR></DIV>
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator for Blind/VI students
at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/7/10, Sheila Amato
<I><brltrans@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Sheila Amato <brltrans@verizon.net><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "Professionals in Blindness Education
Division List" <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR>Date: Monday, June 7,
2010, 10:42 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi, Denise - ay, we can be bad in so many
ways... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We can have poor communication skills and
not accurately convey the scope of our - or our students'
needs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We can have poor skills in transcribing
braille</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We can have poor skills in teaching
braille... which (as we all know) is not necessarily related to
transcribing braille</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We can have poor social skills</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We can have poor mobility
skills</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Of course you realize I'm speaking tongue
in cheek. What I am trying to convey is that just as each of our
students is an individual... with unique talents and areas in need of
further development, so are teachers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I consider myself a rather proficient
braille transcriber, but I will also admit that I have a colleague who
is a much better teacher (introducing braille skills to little ones)
than I am. However, she would panic if she had to transcribe geometry,
while I sink my teeth in and grin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This is one unique thing about OUR field
that regular educators - or even special educators - don't have to deal
with. We teach kids:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>from birth to 21 - or older</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>those who are blind (adventitiously or
congenitally)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>those who have varying degrees of low
vision (adventitiously or congenitally)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>those with vision loss and multiple
disabilities</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>in any combination of the above, and in
multiple settings on a daily basis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't know any one individual who can do
it ALL to a high level of proficiency. I do know many who are in there
every day doing the best they can with limited resources and lack of
support from the educational system as well as the parents and doctors.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We tend to hear about the problem teachers.
They make the daily news and people are outraged. We do ourselves a
disservice as a field for not sharing news publicly about the
teachers who are considered to be excellent - by virtue of their
student's outstanding achievements. Even without data (but with common
sense, perhaps) I'm willing to bet the good apples in our field
highly outnumber the bad ones. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The REAL problem is... what are we all
going to do to help the teachers with less-than-proficient skills reach
for the stars and gain the proficiency they need to have, what are we
going to do to "fix" a system of education that is broken, and how can
we assure that students who graduate from teacher training programs do
so with a set of skills and knowledge that meet national
criteria.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sheila</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 07, 2010 10:15 AM</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>The REALLY bad thing about the content
of these comments is we have the teachers with poor skills
telling the administration all the incorrect information--which
they believe, hence the lack of instruction and poor instruction
continues.<BR><BR>
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator for Blind/VI
students at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/7/10,
Kirsten Peterson <I><kpeterson@perandoe.org></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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Kirsten Peterson <kpeterson@perandoe.org><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List"
<pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR>Date: Monday, June 7, 2010,
5:13 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I couldn't agree with you more Denise! Thanks for standing
up and making the point that clearly needs to be made over and
over again. It amazes me how many school districts and
teachers..special ed teachers included..think of Braille
instruction as an extra to occur when time allows, rather than
as an absolute necessity! </DIV>
<DIV>Kirsten <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Allison
Hilliker (NFBA) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc524.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nfbarizona@gmail.com"
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well said, Denise! I'm glad we have
teachers out there like you who are spreading such
Braille-positive messages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It continuously amazes me how seldom common
sense is applied when many people teach blind kids.
Concepts that are widely accepted as educational must-haves,
like teachers proficient in the material they teach, are
considered novelties or low priorities for blind kids.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Allison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06,
2010 10:13 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Poor teacher skills ARE directly related to poor
student outcomes. I have seen it over and over for the
past 20 years as anyone else has in the field who has
good skills and see their students exel and
others who do not because of the teacher who is
teaching them with poor skills. </DIV>
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<DIV>You cannot teach what you do not know and
students cannot learn what you cannot teach them. You
do not need formal research to know this, though it
would not be a bad idea to finally put such a foolish
notion to rest. But how many teachers with poor skills
are going to stand up and say "yes, please test me and
show me how poor my skills are and test my students to
show everyone how far behind they are compared to a
teacher with good skills." <BR><BR></DIV>
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Denise </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator
for Blind/VI students at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the
Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun,
6/6/10, Carrie Gilmer <I><<A
href="http://us.mc524.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carrie.gilmer@gmail.com"
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rel=nofollow
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Re: [Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "'Professionals
in Blindness Education Division List'" <<A
href="http://us.mc524.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pibe-division@nfbnet.org"
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target=_blank>pibe-division@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>Date:
Sunday, June 6, 2010, 4:12 PM<BR><BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Right
on Denise, exactly dead on right on. Thank you for
not being frustrated, bothered and angry in silence.
Carrie</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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a post that bothered me. I have responded and
I am sending this response to the PIBE list.
Every time I think that we are making progress
something like this comment is used to justify not
providing for the needs of blind kids. Here is the
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in response to a question posted by Sheila one of
the posts stated "Weaknesses: 1. still no
published research proving or disproving that poor
teacher braille skills are responsible for poor
braille outcomes for students.
Nevertheless, we've gone full steam ahead
addressing a "problem" that may not exist.
Assertions by advocacy groups are not evidence, nor
are gut hunches. We need DATA. And thus
far no data exists." I find it
astonishing that an assertion is being made that
teacher competency in an essential skill to be
taught to students is not relevant to student
outcomes. Lack of Data cannot
take the place of common sense or best
practice. I cannot think of another subject
area, for example: Language Arts, Math, Science or
Art, where a decent state licensing entity will not
expect an instructor to demonstrate
competence. As a parent I would be very
concerned if my child's English teacher could not
read or write English. Let us not throw out
critical thinking as an alternative to non-existent
DATA Collection. I do not want to say that
legitimate research and legitimate data results are
not beneficial to best practices. But let us
not sacrifice common sense to the altar of
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