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<DIV><FONT size=4>I agree with you alison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>This is why I would like to teach blind kids.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>But I feel as if I am not given a chance to do this.
Furthermore, I don't believe that TBVI's who are not blind believe that
blind or visually impaired teachers can't teach students who are like
themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Glad that we have dinese and others that are proving
this misconception as being incorrect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Melissa Green<BR>Giving up doesn't always mean you
are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go. </DIV>
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<A title=nfbarizona@gmail.com href="mailto:nfbarizona@gmail.com">Allison
Hilliker (NFBA)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division]
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well said, Denise! I'm glad we have teachers out there
like you who are spreading such Braille-positive messages.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It continuously amazes me how seldom common sense is applied
when many people teach blind kids. Concepts that are widely accepted as
educational must-haves, like teachers proficient in the material they teach,
are considered novelties or low priorities for blind kids. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Allison</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr.
Denise M. Robinson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:13
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<DIV>Poor teacher skills ARE directly related to poor student
outcomes. I have seen it over and over for the past 20 years as anyone
else has in the field who has good skills and see their students
exel and others who do not because of the teacher who is teaching them
with poor skills. </DIV>
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<DIV>You cannot teach what you do not know and students cannot learn
what you cannot teach them. You do not need formal research to know
this, though it would not be a bad idea to finally put such a foolish
notion to rest. But how many teachers with poor skills are going to
stand up and say "yes, please test me and show me how poor my skills
are and test my students to show everyone how far behind they are
compared to a teacher with good skills." <BR><BR></DIV>
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator for Blind/VI
students at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/6/10, Carrie
Gilmer <I><carrie.gilmer@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "'Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List'" <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR>Date:
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Right on
Denise, exactly dead on right on. Thank you for not being
frustrated, bothered and angry in silence.
Carrie</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Denise
Mackenstadt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Recently on AERnet I noticed a post that
bothered me. I have responded and I am sending this response
to the PIBE list. Every time I think that we are making
progress something like this comment is used to justify not
providing for the needs of blind kids. Here is the post and my
response:</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Monaco; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Recently in response
to a question posted by Sheila one of the posts stated "Weaknesses:
1. still no published research proving or disproving that poor
teacher braille skills are responsible for poor braille outcomes for
students. Nevertheless, we've gone full steam ahead
addressing a "problem" that may not exist. Assertions by
advocacy groups are not evidence, nor are gut hunches. We need
DATA. And thus far no data exists." I find it
astonishing that an assertion is being made that teacher competency
in an essential skill to be taught to students is not relevant to
student outcomes. Lack of Data cannot take the
place of common sense or best practice. I cannot think of
another subject area, for example: Language Arts, Math, Science or
Art, where a decent state licensing entity will not expect an
instructor to demonstrate competence. As a parent I would be
very concerned if my child's English teacher could not read or write
English. Let us not throw out critical thinking as an
alternative to non-existent DATA Collection. I do not want to
say that legitimate research and legitimate data results are not
beneficial to best practices. But let us not sacrifice common
sense to the altar of
statistics. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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