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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Melissa,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Why do you feel that you aren't given the chance to teach
blind children? I know we really need more teachers. I'd like to
hear about your experience.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Allison</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=graduate56@juno.com href="mailto:graduate56@juno.com">Melissa
Green</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org">Professionals in Blindness Education
Division List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 07, 2010 11:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division]
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I agree with you alison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>This is why I would like to teach blind kids.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>But I feel as if I am not given a chance to do this.
Furthermore, I don't believe that TBVI's who are not blind believe that
blind or visually impaired teachers can't teach students who are like
themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Glad that we have dinese and others that are proving
this misconception as being incorrect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Melissa Green<BR>Giving up doesn't always mean
you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go.
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<A title=nfbarizona@gmail.com href="mailto:nfbarizona@gmail.com">Allison
Hilliker (NFBA)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:43
PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well said, Denise! I'm glad we have teachers out
there like you who are spreading such Braille-positive
messages.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It continuously amazes me how seldom common sense is
applied when many people teach blind kids. Concepts that are widely
accepted as educational must-haves, like teachers proficient in the material
they teach, are considered novelties or low priorities for blind kids.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Allison</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr.
Denise M. Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
href="mailto:pibe-division@nfbnet.org">Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division]
Comment</DIV>
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<DIV>Poor teacher skills ARE directly related to poor student
outcomes. I have seen it over and over for the past 20 years as
anyone else has in the field who has good skills and see
their students exel and others who do not because of the
teacher who is teaching them with poor skills. </DIV>
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<DIV>You cannot teach what you do not know and students cannot learn
what you cannot teach them. You do not need formal research to know
this, though it would not be a bad idea to finally put such a
foolish notion to rest. But how many teachers with poor skills are
going to stand up and say "yes, please test me and show me how poor
my skills are and test my students to show everyone how far behind
they are compared to a teacher with good skills." <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Coordinator for Blind/VI
students at ESD105<BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>509-969-3622</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/6/10, Carrie
Gilmer <I><carrie.gilmer@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Pibe-division] Comment<BR>To: "'Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List'"
<pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR>Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010,
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Right on
Denise, exactly dead on right on. Thank you for not being
frustrated, bothered and angry in silence.
Carrie</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Denise
Mackenstadt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Recently on AERnet I noticed a post that
bothered me. I have responded and I am sending this response
to the PIBE list. Every time I think that we are making
progress something like this comment is used to justify not
providing for the needs of blind kids. Here is the post and my
response:</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Monaco; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Recently in response
to a question posted by Sheila one of the posts stated
"Weaknesses: 1. still no published research proving or
disproving that poor teacher braille skills are responsible for
poor braille outcomes for students. Nevertheless,
we've gone full steam ahead addressing a "problem" that may not
exist. Assertions by advocacy groups are not evidence, nor
are gut hunches. We need DATA. And thus far no
data exists." I find it astonishing that an assertion is
being made that teacher competency in an essential skill to be
taught to students is not relevant to student outcomes. Lack
of Data cannot take the place of common sense or best
practice. I cannot think of another subject area, for
example: Language Arts, Math, Science or Art, where a decent state
licensing entity will not expect an instructor to demonstrate
competence. As a parent I would be very concerned if my
child's English teacher could not read or write English. Let
us not throw out critical thinking as an alternative to
non-existent DATA Collection. I do not want to say that
legitimate research and legitimate data results are not beneficial
to best practices. But let us not sacrifice common sense to
the altar of statistics. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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