<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Lori</span></div><div><span>Online or virtual teaching is not necessarily a cheaper way...it is comparable and sometimes can be more expensive.</span></div><div> </div><div><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Brush Script MT';COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:18pt;"><font color="#4040ff"> Denise </font></span></div><div><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Brush Script MT';COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:18pt;"></span> </div><div>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <br>Teacher of the Blind & Visually Impaired<br>TechVision-Independent Contractor</div><div>Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training</div><div>509-674-1853 <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"> deniserob@gmail.com</a></div><div> </div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/">http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/</a></div><div> </div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Zephyr <twilight2@kconline.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Professionals in Blindness Education Division List <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:11 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division] Virtual teaching, Paras, et.al.<br></font><br><div id="yiv725273967">
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What has to be monitored is that schools and states
are looking for ways to save money and this aproach is very appealing to adopt
to the hilt. I am not opposed to it for certain situations, but I do not believe
it should be the norm or standard. Some are adopting the use of SecondLife
to deliver workshipshops and trainings. Anyone had any experience with Second
Life and accessibility?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Lori</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:57
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pibe-division] Virtual
teaching, Paras, et.al.</div>
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<div><span>Yes David</span></div>
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<div><span>We do not want to go to extremes. Virtual teaching is just another
method that is being explored to access so many more children.</span></div>
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<div><span style="FONT-SIZE:18pt;COLOR:black;FONT-FAMILY:'Brush Script MT';"><font color="#4040ff"> Denise </font></span></div>
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<div>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <br>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<br>TechVision-Independent Contractor</div>
<div>Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training</div>
<div>509-674-1853 <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"> deniserob@gmail.com</a></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> "Hyde, David W. (ESC)"
<david.hyde@wcbvi.k12.wi.us><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> "'pibe-division@nfbnet.org'"
<pibe-division@nfbnet.org><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 21, 2011
11:05 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal">One of the problems with getting this list
in digest form, is that I sometimes have to respond to messages en bloc. So
here we go.</div>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal">Many years ago, I read an SF short story
entitled “And Madly Teach” authored by Lloyd Biggle. The premise was that
schools being so expensive, students could just learn from home, watching
TV, and the teachers would all work out of television studios. The point of
the story was that it didn’t work for everyone, and one of the students for
whom it didn’t work was a “little blind girl.” (have you noticed that most
blind children have all the attractiveness of ethereal beings, at least in
literature?) Now the point of this is not to give obscure literary
references, but to give this as a cautionary tale. The economy of scale
argument has always been popular with educational administrators. I get this
picture of one sessile virtual TVI with a screen and about thirty windows
open on it. Each window has a child and a countdown timer, which begins with
the amount of TVI time specified in the IEP. The theory is that as long as
there is contact (or the possibility of contact) with the TVI, it counts
toward the allotted time for vision services. As we discuss this, idea of
virtual teaching (and although I am skeptical, I’m willing to be convinced)
be careful. It could replace you. Oh yes, for those who tell me how
impossible that would be, we here in Wisconsin will always have collective
bargaining.</div>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal">Blind teachers Teaching braille and
keyboarding. I had a blind typing teacher. This was after Mike started
kindergarten, so the typewriters had English letters, rather than
hieroglyphs (fewer keys). As I remember, Effie went around and checked hand
position and alignment. She could tell a lot about what we were doing by the
typing rhythm. I used the same techniques when I taught keyboarding to
adults in Colorado. I also know a lot of blind braille teachers. They too
check position of hands and fingers. Yes, occasionally we use a non-blind
person to check at random, since such can be done surreptitiously, but it
doesn’t require them to be there all the time.</div>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal">Finally, Paras. I know I never had one, but
they are around today. One of the problems we have, though is that the
districts are sometimes willing to train teachers, but rarely the paras.
They don’t make enough to pay for their own training, but they definitely
influence the child. Should we put together a virtual course for them?</div>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal">Thank you for listening. I enjoy the ideas
off of this list, and sometimes get some that</div>
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<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'serif';" lang="EN">David Hyde, Professional
Development Coordinator Wisconsin Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1700 W. State Street Janesville WI 53546</span></div>
<div class="yiv725273967MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'serif';" lang="EN">608-758-6152
(office)</span></div>
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(cell)</span></div>
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(fax)</span></div>
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free)</span></div>
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