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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree whole heartedly and should have specified
that I am seeing it being used more for teacher workshops to connect teachers
around the state to eliminate the hours of driving, room and accommodation,
etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just trying to share what's out there. Not being
negative in any way.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr.
Denise M. Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pibe-division@nfbnet.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:20
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division] Virtual
teaching, Paras, et.al.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Lori</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Online or virtual teaching is not necessarily a cheaper way...it is
comparable and sometimes can be more expensive.</SPAN></DIV>
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color=#4040ff> Denise </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>TechVision-Independent Contractor</DIV>
<DIV>Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training</DIV>
<DIV>509-674-1853 <A href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow> deniserob@gmail.com</A></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Zephyr
<twilight2@kconline.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><BR><B><SPAN
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12:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What has to be monitored is that schools and
states are looking for ways to save money and this aproach is very appealing
to adopt to the hilt. I am not opposed to it for certain situations, but I
do not believe it should be the norm or standard. Some are adopting
the use of SecondLife to deliver workshipshops and trainings. Anyone had any
experience with Second Life and accessibility?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lori</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">Dr.
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 21, 2011
2:57 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division] Virtual
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<DIV><SPAN>Yes David</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>We do not want to go to extremes. Virtual teaching is just
another method that is being explored to access so many more
children.</SPAN></DIV>
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color=#4040ff> Denise
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Teacher of the Blind &
Visually Impaired<BR>TechVision-Independent Contractor</DIV>
<DIV>Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training</DIV>
<DIV>509-674-1853 <A href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"> deniserob@gmail.com</A></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Hyde, David W.
(ESC)" <david.hyde@wcbvi.k12.wi.us><BR><B><SPAN
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[Pibe-division] Virtual teaching, Paras, et.al.<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal>One of the problems with getting this
list in digest form, is that I sometimes have to respond to messages en
bloc. So here we go.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal>Many years ago, I read an SF short
story entitled “And Madly Teach” authored by Lloyd Biggle. The premise
was that schools being so expensive, students could just learn from
home, watching TV, and the teachers would all work out of television
studios. The point of the story was that it didn’t work for everyone,
and one of the students for whom it didn’t work was a “little blind
girl.” (have you noticed that most blind children have all the
attractiveness of ethereal beings, at least in literature?) Now the
point of this is not to give obscure literary references, but to give
this as a cautionary tale. The economy of scale argument has always been
popular with educational administrators. I get this picture of one
sessile virtual TVI with a screen and about thirty windows open on it.
Each window has a child and a countdown timer, which begins with the
amount of TVI time specified in the IEP. The theory is that as long as
there is contact (or the possibility of contact) with the TVI, it counts
toward the allotted time for vision services. As we discuss this, idea
of virtual teaching (and although I am skeptical, I’m willing to be
convinced) be careful. It could replace you. Oh yes, for those who tell
me how impossible that would be, we here in Wisconsin will always have
collective bargaining.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal>Blind teachers Teaching braille and
keyboarding. I had a blind typing teacher. This was after Mike started
kindergarten, so the typewriters had English letters, rather than
hieroglyphs (fewer keys). As I remember, Effie went around and checked
hand position and alignment. She could tell a lot about what we were
doing by the typing rhythm. I used the same techniques when I taught
keyboarding to adults in Colorado. I also know a lot of blind braille
teachers. They too check position of hands and fingers. Yes,
occasionally we use a non-blind person to check at random, since such
can be done surreptitiously, but it doesn’t require them to be there all
the time.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal>Finally, Paras. I know I never had one,
but they are around today. One of the problems we have, though is that
the districts are sometimes willing to train teachers, but rarely the
paras. They don’t make enough to pay for their own training, but they
definitely influence the child. Should we put together a virtual course
for them?</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal>Thank you for listening. I enjoy the
ideas off of this list, and sometimes get some that</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv725273967MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'">David Hyde, Professional
Development Coordinator Wisconsin Center for the Blind and Visually
Impaired 1700 W. State Street Janesville WI 53546</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'">608-758-6152
(office)</SPAN></DIV>
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