<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Pauline,</span></div><div><span>You had a good teacher teach you that or you have a lot of common sense. If I was totally blind, that is what I would do too. But there are a lot of blind teachers who do not think of it. But there are a lot of sighted teachers who do not check either, so it is more of a human condition than being sighted or blind.</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><span style='color: black; font-family: "Brush Script MT"; font-size: 18pt;'><font color="#4040ff"> Denise </font></span></div><div><span style='color: black; font-family: "Brush Script MT"; font-size: 18pt;'></span> </div><div>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <br>Teacher of the Blind & Visually Impaired<br>TechVision-Independent Contractor</div><div>Specialist in blind
programming/teaching/training</div><div>509-674-1853 <a href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> deniserob@gmail.com</a></div><div> </div><div><a href="http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/</a></div><div> </div><div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Smith, Pauline L"
<PSmith4@dmc.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Professionals in Blindness Education Division List' <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:20 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pibe-division] Teaching Virtual Teachers<br></font><br><div id="yiv1644295808">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="yiv1644295808784261718-22092011">The person who substitutes for me when I'm absent is
blind and wis a retired rehabilitation teacher. I always receive comments
in his notes to me about the finger position of students during reading and
writing. It is a good reminder to me to check the students' hand position
periodically. I do this by putting my hand over theirs. I always let
them know why I'm touching them. If I see flying fingers or a tense hand
stance, I correct it immediately.</span></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org
[mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike
Freeman<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:54 PM<br><b>To:</b>
'Professionals in Blindness Education Division List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Pibe-division] Teaching Virtual Teachers<br></font><br></div>
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<div class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Denise:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Wonder
what Jerry Whittle of the Louisiana Center for the Blind would say to your
assertion that a blind braille instructor needs a sighted person to observe
finger position?</span></div>
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Freeman</span></div>
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pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:pibe-division-bounces@nfbnet.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dr. Denise M. Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2011
4:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Professionals in Blindness Education Division
List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pibe-division] Teaching Virtual
Teachers</span></div></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Jewel,</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Excellent
questions.</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">On virtually teaching, you do not need to
have video. It can all be audio. On lessons where I am teaching the braille note
or braille, it is all done through the phone. I am listening and giving
directions and the people on the other side follow through. I have even done
this with computer lessons because the bandwidth was not strong enough to take
both video and audio. If you know your stuff, listening is all you
need.</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">On braille instruction. If you are a
totally blind teacher, even if you were sitting next to a child teaching them
braille, or even touch typing, you need someone sighted to make sure they are
using their fingers correctly (that is an in general comment--most blind
instructors need the sighted to watch the child's hands). When present with a
student, I start out positioned behind a blind child and I actually guide their
hands in the correct way on the paper or the keyboard. It is just as easy to
tell someone on the other end to do so also, so the child has an idea of what to
do, but there has to be someone constantly making sure they are using their
hands correctly. Even when you become a TVI and are not there at the school,
someone has to follow through on your instruction. If you are virtual, or even
part time virtual and part time direct contact, schools will actually have more
contact and communication with you, thus you are able to give better service
because you know virtual techniques.</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">I am looking at this as another way to
teach. Not to take over for direct contact. I do both, but have more access to
more people in the World virtually. That cannot happen if I was trying to do
this in person.</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">The methods that are presently in place
are not meeting all the needs of our children. We have over worked TVIs and
paras that need a lot more direction and guidance. This is a supplemental way to
teach...getting into areas where there are NO TVI's or not enough. This is an in
addition to....using the combination of virtual techniques and direct contact
gives you the ability to do more with efficiency. </span></div></div>
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Denise </span><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <br>Teacher
of the Blind & Visually Impaired<br>TechVision-Independent
Contractor</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Specialist in blind
programming/teaching/training</span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">509-674-1853 <a href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com"> deniserob@gmail.com</a></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white; margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="yiv1644295808MsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
Jewel <herekittykat2@gmail.com><br><b>To:</b> Professionals in Blindness
Education Division List <pibe-division@nfbnet.org><br><b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:03 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pibe-division]
Teaching Virtual Teachers<br></span><span style="color: black;"><br>I hope my
message is not considered out-of-place, since I'm not yet a<br>teacher of the
blind, but I thought I'd bring up one concern of<br>virtual
teaching.<br><br>What of the teachers of the blind who are blind themselves?
Some<br>things can be taught over the phone or through other medias, but
a<br>blind teacher cannot watch a video of a child reading Braille
or<br>demonstrating a correct alternative technique. Should
virtual<br>teaching, then, be a supplement to teaching in person? Say,
perhaps,<br>that the student meets daily with the teacher virtually, but
meets<br>once or twice a week in person? What are your thoughts on this,
Dr.<br>Robinson?<br><br>Sincerely yours,<br>Jewel Shuping (hopeful TVI of the
future)<br><br>On 9/20/11, Dr. Denise M. Robinson <<a href="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com">dmehlenbacher@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> Teaching Virtual Teachers<br>> I have teachers of the blind
calling me from all over to learn the<br>> virtual techniques to teach
students. The excitement of showing them<br>> another way is always a joy
for me. Today was no exception to this<br>> rule. If you want to be
one of these teachers...send an email and we can get<br>>
going.<br>><br>> Last year this teacher quit her job to have a beautiful
baby. Before she<br>> had quit I told her what I had been doing in
regards to virtual<br>> teaching and that if she wanted, she could do it
too from home, while<br>> still caring for her children. A couple days ago
I got the email asking<br>> about the virtual teaching.<br>><br>> I
took her through the process of being the student and how I connected<br>>
to her and then her being the teacher and connecting to me and all the<br>>
many aspects that went along with virtual teaching. Her excitement of<br>>
its potential could be felt across the wires. We will practice until
she<br>> is comfortable and then when she gets students I can assist
when she<br>> needs it.<br>><br>> I have discovered several different
ways to do virtual instruction. When<br>> you go across state or
country lines, the connections vary. Instead of<br>> phoning and adding up
long distance charges, I connect with SKYPE, give<br>> directions, then
bring up JAWS Tandem and we continue both throughout<br>> the lesson. If
the video becomes too garbled because of bandwidth, we go<br>> to
just audio. Local calls can be phone and straight Tandem. I have<br>> also
given lessons straight through chat, text and Tandem. There are so<br>>
many ways and options. Meetings with school personnel can happen
through<br>> SKYPE or a phone. If teaching braille or other hands on
skills, a para<br>> educator is on the other side following instructions on
how to help the<br>> child position their fingers....all watched through
video on my side.<br>><br>> Most importantly, we have the ability to
teach every child as long as<br>> there is a phone line. Every child could
potentially have the ability to<br>> receive as much instruction as
they need to achieve their goals and<br>> dreams. We need more options to
address the challenge of teaching so<br>> many children. This is just one
more option.<br>> <a href="http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/</a><br>><br>>
Denise<br>><br>> Denise M.
Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.<br>> Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<br>> TechVision-Independent Contractor<br>> Specialist in blind
programming/teaching/training<br>> 509-674-1853 <a href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com">deniserob@gmail.com</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Pibe-division
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