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<DIV>Bran et al,</DIV>
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<DIV>I concur that students need to be given increased opportunities to use
readers and self-advocacy skills while still in middle and high school. Working
at a residential training center as I do, there are a lot of young adults who
come to us with very poor self-advocacy skills and generally with absolutely
zero reader experience. This is troubling, as college is truly monumentally
different from what they have known before in terms of individual responsibility
and initiative. My two cents on this beautiful fall Friday. A great weekend to
all.</DIV>
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<DIV>EG</DIV>
<DIV>PIBE President</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/6/2011 9:36:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not every child has a para, and really in high
school most kids don't. I went to school wwith out a para and so do and did
many others. I'm pretty sure her Son doesn't have 1, and this would need to be
prepared. I also did college math with an after class reader not someone
sitting by me. Yes I'm a <BR>Braille reader. Try to think more in line of how
will the child do this independently instead of assuming the kid has a right
arm person. I know a blind college math professor and he has a reader, but can
do problems on his own.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bran</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"When we treat children's play as seriously as it deserves, we are
helping them feel the joy that's to be found in the creative spirit. It's the
things we play with and the people who help us play that make a great
difference in our lives." <BR>— Fred Rogers </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:00
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pibe-division] Accessible
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<DIV><SPAN>Sally,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Yes, to what Eric is saying with a bit more.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Windows 7 offers a fantastic very accessible scientific
calculator, using Jaws. However, the graphing part is still not there--The
para does up the graph then with wikki sticks the blind child can graph what
they just calculated. This still remains an issue in the field.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Back to AGC--same issue. Yes, blind students can input the
information, but without a graphic embosser, the sound that it plays is not
enough feedback for the blind student to understand what he just did. So if
they are using AGC, para does up the sheet and wikki sticks graph the lines.
If the child has some vision, you can enlarge the screen enough to see the
graph of the AGC</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. <BR>Teacher of the Blind & Visually
Impaired<BR>TechVision-Independent Contractor</DIV>
<DIV>Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training</DIV>
<DIV>509-674-1853 <A title=mailto:deniserob@gmail.com
href="mailto:deniserob@gmail.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow> deniserob@gmail.com</A></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "EricGuillory@aol.com"
<EricGuillory@aol.com><BR><B><SPAN
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pibe-division@nfbnet.org<BR><B><SPAN
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<DIV>Sally,</DIV>
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<DIV>You and I both! I like and respect Susan O, but, truth-to-tell, she
is the only person with whom I have ever spoken who has given the AGC a
positive rating. I think that, for the purpose of creating tactile
graphics, it comes down to a high-quality reader with an understanding of
mathematics and the requisite terminology, tactile graph paper, Wikki
Stix, and other low-tech tools. As tech savvy as I am and I know your son
is, that isn't always the most feasible solution. </DIV>
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<DIV>As for the utilization of Sci Notebook with DBT: I personally have
not done so and have gotten mixed reviews from those who have. It is
certainly doable, but I think patience and proofreading are in order if
you undertake it.</DIV>
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<DIV>I look forward to continued discussion on this vital issue.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/6/2011 11:13:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
seacknit@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in finding an accessible
graphing calculator solution that really works. It has to be
useful even without a Tiger Embosser. Also, does anyone use Scientific
notebook with Duxbury to create math problems for kids? How does
it work? Would you recommend it?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sally
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