[Quietcars] How will the Start/Stop system affect blind pedestrians?

[michael townsend]

Thanks, Bob.  I appreciated your explanation and didn't think that this type
of hybrid would last. I think that Chevy is still touting the Malibu hybrid,
though.  Wonder how long it will be until they change this over.
 

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Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [Quietcars] How will the Start/Stop system affect blind
pedestrians?


Hi,

Let me share some details about the automatic start/stop systems. General
Motors sold them to the public up until May of this year calling them "mild
hybrids" or belt-assisted hybrids. Wiki reports they are still sold to
'fleets.' Today we call them "micro hybrids," a more accurate description.
About three years ago, I drove a Saturn VUE equipped with a GM belt-assisted
hybrid system. 

These "micro hybrids" typically have a 5 hp or less, modified alternator
that can also work as a motor using a 36 V power system connected to a 170
hp gas engine. But the GM versions did not have enough power to start a cold
engine so they still had to use a regular (and heavy) 12 V starter and
battery in addition to the higher voltage, modified alternator system. The
hybrid part had little effect on vehicle efficiency.

In contrast, the Honda Integrated Motor Assist provides nearly 20 hp
electric motor power directly to the 85 hp engine flywheel. This allows a
1.3L engine to perform like a 1.5L engine by providing the low-end, torque.
Honda uses it with their Insight, a small hatchback with a similar,
aerodynamic shape to the Prius. The Honda Insight is returning nearly
identical mileage, 49-50 MPG, to their owners as the Prius but it is a
compact car. I hit my head on the door trying to sit down into an Insight.

These GM "micro hybrids" led to many complaints by new owners because it was
a gas car with a second, computer controlled starter. The disappointed
owners would come to the Green Hybrid web site and we would explain why. But
some car companies are run by hybrid-skeptics who believe the word "hybrid"
is all it takes to fool the public. GM "mild hybrid" sales to the public
stopped the same month Bob Lutz finally retired from GM.

Bob Wilson

> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:01:48 -0400
> From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com
> To: quietcars at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Quietcars] How will the Start/Stop system affect blind
pedestrians?
> 
> Dear List,
> I have been reading a lot lately about the introduction of the 
> start/stop system into the American autobmobile industry, and I have 
> much concern about it. I am not sure if I understand the start/stop 
> system completely correctly, and I hope you can shed some list on it 
> for me.
> 
> >From what I've been reading, the start/stop system is much like the
> hybrid concept except that it doesn't have the electronic component.
> According to an article on Smart Planet, "when an equipped car stops, 
> so does its engine." ("American Cars Will Soon Get 'Start-Stop'
> Fule-Saving Tech,
> www.smartplanet.com/technology/.../american...start-stop.../5231/). If 
> this is so, wouldn't that mean that when the car is idling, it will be 
> silent, just like quiet cars?
> 
> How will this start-stop system affect blind pedestrians' ability to 
> determine idling traffic at stop signs, red lights, waiting to turn 
> from a parking lot or driveway, or in other similar situations? I fear 
> that it will make the roads even more dangerous for blind pedestrians 
> who rely on the sound of idling traffic to know if there is a car to 
> look out for.
> 
> With concern,
> ~Jewel
> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
> 
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