[rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services

Mon Apr 26 16:52:54 UTC 2010

Won, As a mobility instructor, Have you ever heard of a person being denied 
mobility training do to some one's balance? Or have you ever heard of a 
person being told that mobility was being discontinued because they were 
unable to walk in a straight line? I have mild cerebal paulsy, and I was 
told these things. But my mobility teacher from high school said that what I 
was told was a bunch of hogwash! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haro, Juan, CFB" <Juan.Haro at state.nm.us>
To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services

Hello RJ:

NBPCB stands for National Blindness Professional Certification Board.  The 
web site is nbpcb.org.  The only centers that are certified are the three 
NFB centers Louisiana, Colorado, and BLIND Inc.; and three state agencies 
New Mexico, Nebraska, and Hawaii.  The certification indicates that the 
training you receive from these training centers follow a non-visual 
approach with high expectations.

Juan F. Haro, M.A., NOMCT
Cane Travel Instructor
Commission for the Blind
408 N. White Sands Blvd.
Alamogordo, NM 88310
Phone: (575) 437-0401
Email: juan.haro at state.nm.us

-----Original Message-----
From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of RJ Sandefur
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 AM
To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services

What is Nbpcb? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lansaw,Jane (DARS)" <Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's
policy concerning out of state services

> Hi RJ,
> I wonder if you can use LCB's NBPCB certification as a justification.  I
> assume the Lighthouse isn't certified by NBPCB.  Dave can probably answer
> this question or maybe Dick Davis if he's watching.  Also, RJ, if you have
> any vision at all, even light perception you can cite LCB's complete
> non-visual training as a method you respect and feel you need to be fully
> employment-ready.
>
> I got my home state to send me to Colorado even though I had already been
> through Lion's World several years previously.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Jane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:59 PM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's
> policy concerning out of state services
>
> If they reopen your case, then you will end up with an employment
> goal, and a plan to reach that goal.  You will have to show how LCB
> will help you attain that goal, and why those resources available to
> you in Florida will not do so.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:01 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote:
>>Dear List, I'm thinking about re-opening my case with DBS, and I
>>recieved this email from them, but I do not wish to recieve my
>>ajustment to blindness training through the lighthouse. I wish to go
>>to LCB. How can I justify this? RJ
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>To: RJ Sandefur
>>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM
>>Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>>Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your
>>mother.
>>
>>If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we
>>can reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of
>>the Palm Beaches at this time for training.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice
>>to help you in making your decision about training.
>>
>>
>>
>>I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services,
>>because you attached it to your e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>>In order to assist you with training services, please call our
>>office and ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448
>>or 866-225-0794.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bobbie Howard-Davis
>>
>>District Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM
>>To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>>Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions
>>for you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy
>>concerning out of state services. In 1999, I attended the
>>rehabilitation center, which is now the orientation and adjustment
>>center, and did not find the experience to be a pleasant one. In
>>2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement with my
>>councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my
>>mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment
>>to blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the
>>Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web
>>sight and came across the policy concerning out of state services:
>>Out of State Services
>>DIVISION POLICY 6.14
>>
>>SUBJECT
>>Out of State Services
>>
>>EFFECTIVE DATE
>>July 9, 2003
>>
>>REVISION DATE
>>February 14, 2008
>>
>>EXPIRATION DATE
>>This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed.
>>
>>PURPOSE
>>
>>To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services.
>>
>>AUTHORITY
>>34 CFR 361.50(b)
>>
>>POLICY
>>The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference
>>for in-State services, provided that the preference does not
>>effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the
>>individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an
>>in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's
>>rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible
>>for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service.
>>However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to
>>meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should
>>be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service.
>>
>>Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008
>>But compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001
>>in RSA PD-01-03:
>>
>>
>>       POLICY STATEMENT:  The State VR program must provide applicants
>>and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to
>>exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making
>>decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers,
>>settings for employment and service provision, and methods for
>>procuring services.  To enable an individual to make such decisions,
>>the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance
>>needed by the individual.  The VR agency has the responsibility to
>>implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop
>>resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR
>>services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process;
>>these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with
>>Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this
>>mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to
>>attend LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case
>>with DBS, since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your
>>convience, I've attached a document explaining what LCB is, although
>>I'm shure you know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an
>>inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have
>>enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where
>>to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master
>>of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in
>>2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to
>>continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However,
>>How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the
>>blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I
>>have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004,
>>until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree
>>in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs.
>>Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur
>
>
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