[rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services

Mon Apr 26 19:37:41 UTC 2010

Thank you jane for those suggestion. I'll do that! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lansaw,Jane (DARS)" <Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services


> Hi RJ,
> It is a load of hogwash.  I've been teaching cane travel for ten years.  I 
> have trained people with balance problems from CP, stroke, and other 
> causes.  I might advise a support cane for training or permanently, in 
> addition to your straight cane but would have to walk with you to know if 
> I would in your case.  LCB will work with you and adapt whatever needs 
> adapting to your secondary disability.  The point is that you get out and 
> go independently, not that you give a textbook performance on the skills. 
> Sounds like some O.&M. was thinking more about teaching technique and not 
> about the end goal.  That is another thing you can say to your counselor 
> about preferring LCB.  Call Pam Allen and ask her about your CP.  Then 
> call the lighthouse and tell them you have CP.  Compare and contrast their 
> answers and repeat them to your counselor.
>
> Good luck and hang in there,
>
> Jane Lansaw
> NOMC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:53 AM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's 
> policy concerning out of state services
>
> Won, As a mobility instructor, Have you ever heard of a person being 
> denied
> mobility training do to some one's balance? Or have you ever heard of a
> person being told that mobility was being discontinued because they were
> unable to walk in a straight line? I have mild cerebal paulsy, and I was
> told these things. But my mobility teacher from high school said that what 
> I
> was told was a bunch of hogwash! RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Haro, Juan, CFB" <Juan.Haro at state.nm.us>
> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's
> policy concerning out of state services
>
>
> Hello RJ:
>
> NBPCB stands for National Blindness Professional Certification Board.  The
> web site is nbpcb.org.  The only centers that are certified are the three
> NFB centers Louisiana, Colorado, and BLIND Inc.; and three state agencies
> New Mexico, Nebraska, and Hawaii.  The certification indicates that the
> training you receive from these training centers follow a non-visual
> approach with high expectations.
>
> Juan F. Haro, M.A., NOMCT
> Cane Travel Instructor
> Commission for the Blind
> 408 N. White Sands Blvd.
> Alamogordo, NM 88310
> Phone: (575) 437-0401
> Email: juan.haro at state.nm.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 AM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's
> policy concerning out of state services
>
> What is Nbpcb? RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lansaw,Jane (DARS)" <Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's
> policy concerning out of state services
>
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> I wonder if you can use LCB's NBPCB certification as a justification.  I
>> assume the Lighthouse isn't certified by NBPCB.  Dave can probably answer
>> this question or maybe Dick Davis if he's watching.  Also, RJ, if you 
>> have
>> any vision at all, even light perception you can cite LCB's complete
>> non-visual training as a method you respect and feel you need to be fully
>> employment-ready.
>>
>> I got my home state to send me to Colorado even though I had already been
>> through Lion's World several years previously.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Jane
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of David Andrews
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:59 PM
>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's
>> policy concerning out of state services
>>
>> If they reopen your case, then you will end up with an employment
>> goal, and a plan to reach that goal.  You will have to show how LCB
>> will help you attain that goal, and why those resources available to
>> you in Florida will not do so.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 07:01 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote:
>>>Dear List, I'm thinking about re-opening my case with DBS, and I
>>>recieved this email from them, but I do not wish to recieve my
>>>ajustment to blindness training through the lighthouse. I wish to go
>>>to LCB. How can I justify this? RJ
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>To: RJ Sandefur
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM
>>>Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>concerning out of state services
>>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your
>>>mother.
>>>
>>>If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we
>>>can reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of
>>>the Palm Beaches at this time for training.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice
>>>to help you in making your decision about training.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services,
>>>because you attached it to your e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In order to assist you with training services, please call our
>>>office and ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448
>>>or 866-225-0794.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bobbie Howard-Davis
>>>
>>>District Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM
>>>To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>concerning out of state services
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions
>>>for you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy
>>>concerning out of state services. In 1999, I attended the
>>>rehabilitation center, which is now the orientation and adjustment
>>>center, and did not find the experience to be a pleasant one. In
>>>2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement with my
>>>councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my
>>>mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment
>>>to blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the
>>>Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web
>>>sight and came across the policy concerning out of state services:
>>>Out of State Services
>>>DIVISION POLICY 6.14
>>>
>>>SUBJECT
>>>Out of State Services
>>>
>>>EFFECTIVE DATE
>>>July 9, 2003
>>>
>>>REVISION DATE
>>>February 14, 2008
>>>
>>>EXPIRATION DATE
>>>This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed.
>>>
>>>PURPOSE
>>>
>>>To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services.
>>>
>>>AUTHORITY
>>>34 CFR 361.50(b)
>>>
>>>POLICY
>>>The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference
>>>for in-State services, provided that the preference does not
>>>effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the
>>>individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an
>>>in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's
>>>rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible
>>>for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service.
>>>However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to
>>>meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should
>>>be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service.
>>>
>>>Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008
>>>But compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001
>>>in RSA PD-01-03:
>>>
>>>
>>>       POLICY STATEMENT:  The State VR program must provide applicants
>>>and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to
>>>exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making
>>>decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers,
>>>settings for employment and service provision, and methods for
>>>procuring services.  To enable an individual to make such decisions,
>>>the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance
>>>needed by the individual.  The VR agency has the responsibility to
>>>implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop
>>>resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR
>>>services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process;
>>>these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with
>>>Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this
>>>mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to
>>>attend LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case
>>>with DBS, since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your
>>>convience, I've attached a document explaining what LCB is, although
>>>I'm shure you know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an
>>>inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have
>>>enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where
>>>to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master
>>>of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in
>>>2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to
>>>continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However,
>>>How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the
>>>blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I
>>>have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004,
>>>until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree
>>>in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs.
>>>Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur
>>
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