[Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Thu Aug 6 22:06:53 UTC 2020

Thanks so much, everyone,

I am referring to a new referral (someone who just went blind during the pandemic who really needs some support for their own safe travel, making food, and all the other things that a person might struggle with after sudden vision loss. There is some lack of clarity on whether the VR agency is accepting job jeopardy cases, but the person qualifies under that designation so far as I understand it. I guess they had a virtual meeting with a VR counselor who told them they could get VR services for job jeopardy, but there would be no IPE and no informed choice. 

They are also being told that job jeopardy cases only exist to keep a person employed with their current employer, and the VR counselor wants to work to get the person demoted to a receptionist at their current place of employment. This does not sound like a good fit for this person, in their opinion or mine. It would be a pay cut as well as a substantial drop in intellectual stimulation and physical activity. Job jeopardy is supposed to be about helping a person keep their current job, right?

Thanks all,

Justin

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Subject: Re: [Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Hi Guys,

There are two kinds of rehabilitation cases, as far as I know, and both of them require IPE's or at least IPE amendments. Informed Choice is a federal right; it is not up to agency discretion.

If an agency is under Order of Selection (OOS) and not accepting new clients, they still must accept applications for services and provide information and referral, counseling, and other services that will help the individual in the meantime. They just can't pay for things.

If there are several free service options available to the person, there should be no reason why he or she whoudl be denied informed choice.  But in that case, the individual will need to choose between whatever services are available.

The above is the case with a new rehabilitation program.  If the person has been served in the past, they should be able to jump over the OOS and receive Post-Employment Services (PES).  There may be some service limitations under PES, but there is still the need for an IPE, and persons receiving PES cannot be denied their informed choice  rights under federal law.

Hope this sheds some light on the issue.

Best,
Dick Davis

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Subject: Re: [Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Hi Justin,

I was not aware that there was a difference between job retention and job jeopardy cases. I thought the whole idea was that VR prioritizes serving people who are at risk of losing their jobs (in job jeopardy), so they provide services to help the person with job retention.

Thank you,

Justin

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Subject: Re: [Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Justin, do they mean job retention?

Thanks,

Justin

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Subject: Re: [Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Hi Ian,

Thank you for your reply.

This person was told that job jeopardy cases do not get IPE's. This person is in a state with a fully closed Order of Selection, so that nobody can sign up for VR services. Apparently, the state is trying to figure out how to start serving people via job jeopardy cases first, so they think they can give job jeopardy services but not sign people up for a VR case with an IPE.
Does a standard job jeopardy case involve an Individualized Plan for Employment?

This person was told that there was no ability to choose their own vendors, such as who they might want to work with to receive rehabilitation teaching services. This agency tries to deny informed choice with every single one of their customers, so it's not really surprising, but I was skeptical of their argument that job jeopardy cases did not afford customers informed choice.

Do you have more info to add?

Thank you,

Justin

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Subject: Re: [Rehab] Informed Choice in Job Jeopardy Cases

Justin,

What was the rationale for not having the person on an IPE? Even with a job in jeopardy case this should still be on an IPE. Informed choice should apply to any service received from the agency. It does not of course imply that the client receieves anything they choose but one the less is still an important consideration for the client and in the life of the case.

Best regards,
Ian

Ian Shadrick Ed.D., CRC, CVRT

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 21:46 Justin Salisbury via Rehab <rehab at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a friend who was told very recently by a VR counselor that 
> informed choice doesn't apply to job jeopardy cases. Allegedly, 
> informed choice only applies when people have Individualized Plans for 
> Employment, and job jeopardy cases do not receive Individualized Plans 
> for Employment. I am sincerely doubtful. Can anyone help explain this 
> to
me?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Justin
>
>
> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury
> he/him/his
>
> Phone: 808.797.8606
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury
> ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Justin_Salisbury
>
>
> "Once social change begins, it cannot be reversed. You cannot 
> un-educate the person who has learned to read. You cannot humiliate 
> the person who feels pride. You cannot oppress the people who are not
afraid anymore."
>
> Cesar Chavez
>
>
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