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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello Vince,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">When you say back to the days before going Java crazy, do you mean we wouldn’t have to use the access bridge? Is this a move away from Java or just a superior implementation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Social-sciences-list [mailto:social-sciences-list-bounces@nfbnet.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vincent Martin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 15 November 2013 10:05 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Blind Social Scientists List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Social-sciences-list] problems with R<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I am evaluating the latest build of SPSS 22. So far, it seems to be back to the level of accessibility I had before they went JAVA crazy a few years ago. Of course the output is still inaccessible,
but the GUI seems to be working well. In my initial evaluation, I was able to type data into to the data editor again.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Social-sciences-list [<a href="mailto:social-sciences-list-bounces@nfbnet.org">mailto:social-sciences-list-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Godfrey, Jonathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Blind Social Scientists List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Social-sciences-list] problems with R<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The base installation of R is as accessible as stats software gets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">R commander is an add-on that uses a development toolkit that creates an inaccessible front end that overlays R.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">It is really useful for sighted students who have used other stats software like SPSS or Minitab where pull down menus and dialogue boxes are the normal way of working. It
does alos generate R code, but this code is not just basic R but includes commands specific tot he Rcmdr library.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">If you do choose to continue using R, then you will need to use R without the R commander add-on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">You may find a few useful things to help you on your way with R at
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="http://r-resources.massey.ac.nz">http://r-resources.massey.ac.nz</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I updated a couple of the pages there yesterday actually having created a few MP3 files with some of the basic things I done with R and a few screen reader and
operating system combinations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">You might drop me a line with your experiences of R and SPSS at some stage. I am trying to keep a good handle on how blind people are getting on with statistics
software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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