[Sportsandrec] A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall
Cervenka, Stacy (Brownback)
Stacy_Cervenka at brownback.senate.gov
Fri Nov 14 02:59:16 UTC 2008
Haha! I think I can make that happen.
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Martinez, NOMC
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall
This is a great story. Motivating really. I've wondered how to go along
kayaking in SF Bay. The Bay is probably not as easy to kayak though.
I'd like to include this in a more formulized format in the next
Competition
Corner. May I? Perhaps you can do some more interviews with quotes from
the
other 4, especially Walen.
LM
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From: "Cervenka, Stacy (Brownback)"
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall
Yup; he also mentioned a recent kayaking adventure a few of us had not
long ago on the Potomac River. The reporter makes it sound like some
kind of organized blind excursion, but it was actually just five blind
folks renting kayaks from Jack's Boathouse in Georgetown.
It's actually kind of a neat story. Greg was in town and a few of us
decided we wanted to go kayaking; we figured it wouldn't be too hard.
The Potomac River isn't really that wide and it has almost no current
whatsoever. (Unfortunately, the water itself is pretty gross. The fish
are literally mutant and I'm pretty sure that if you jump in it you get
AIDS, but that's another story...) I'd been to Jack's Boathouse in
Georgetown before with some friends and I knew that it was right
underneath Key Bridge. So we figured we could just point our kayaks in
one direction and make sure we kept the sun on our right side so that we
wouldn't get turned around. When we wanted to head back, all we'd have
to do is keep the sun on our left sides and since Jack's is literally
right underneath Key Bridge, we'd easily be able to tell when we were
back at the docks. I know from previous visits that Jack's Boathouse
employs a few Deaf students from Gallaudet University, so I figured
they'd be pretty open-minded about unleashing a bunch of blindies loose
on the river.
I did, however, think that they might be a little concerned and at least
ask us if this was safe. I figured that we'd probably have to explain
our strategy for staying oriented and coming back safely to them and I
even thought they might send an employee out with us for a little while
to make sure we knew what we were doing. I was pleasantly surprised.
Rosy, Marco, Sean Whalen, Greg, and I (all of us who are blind) showed
up at Jack's Boathouse, hoping for the best. We walked up to the desk,
canes tapping along, and said, "We'd like to rent two tandem kayaks and
one single kayak, please." The girl behind the counter was like,
"That'll be twenty bucks a piece" and that was that. We were all like,
"Wow!!! Seriously? It was that easy???"
So, Greg and I shared a kayak, Rosy and Marco shared a kayak, and Sean
had a kayak to himself. Now, it's worth mentioning that three members of
our merry band were totally blind, including Sean, who had his own kayak
and went off by himself for quite a long time. I think I have a pretty
good attitude about blindness, but I gotta say, Sean's got some mad
orientation skills. He actually did better by himself than Rosy and
Marco and Greg and I were doing.
Another funny anecdote...at one point, I lost my paddle. There was a
boat nearby, so I called out, "Hi! Do you happen to see a paddle
floating anywhere nearby? I just lost one and we happen to be blind, so
we can't find it!" (Keep in mind that no one can tell when you're
kayaking that you're blind, unless maybe you have your guide dog pulling
you along or something.)
We never recovered my lost paddle, but about an hour later, we wanted to
get our photos taken, so we heard a boat and we all tried to pull up
alongside of it in our kayaks, so that we could hand the woman our
cameras. Unfortunately, we just could not for the life of us manage to
pull ourselves alongside the boat in a dignified manner. It was kind of
the equivalent of trying to parallel park on a lesser scale. So, we had
to scrap the picture idea. The woman in the boat was the same one who
had seen us before and who we'd asked about our paddle. She just
happened to catch us at our two most buffoonish moments of the entire
afternoon, so in a tone of complete disgust, she asks us, "So, um, do
you guys do this often?"
We were like, "Yeah, obviously not." hahahahahaha! It still cracks me
up!
There was another point where Greg and I were inadvertently heading
straight toward a motor boat. When I finally saw it, we heard the lady
in the boat exclaim, "What are they doing???!!!" Obviously, she didn't
know we couldn't see, so she was like, "Why are these morons playing
chicken with our boat in their little kayaks???" It was pretty
entertaining.
I don't know if this list accepts file attachments, but for anyone who
would like to see the Blind Armada (as Greg nicknamed it) for
themselves, see the attached files.
All in all, it was a great time and I think it made an impression on
Greg; I'm glad he mentioned it in the article. And Jack's Boathouse has
earned my undying love and loyalty, by the way. Their employees were
totally awesome. They could've cared less that we were blind, but they
were super nice and accommodating, at the same time. If you're ever in
DC and you want to have a good time, check out
http://www.jacksboathouse.com/. It really is a blast.
Stacy
Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:18:37 -0800
From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] "A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall
findspeace, success after troubled teen years"
Hey, I think I like Stacy's article better. It was just so cool and
uplifting.
But, Greg did mention the National Convention in Dallas. Tray cool.
Thanks for sharing this article, Stace.
Peace out,
LM
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Subject: [Sportsandrec] "A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall
findspeace, success after troubled teen years"
> >From the Chico Enterprise-Record
>
> Photo 1 Caption, "Greg DeWall, 29, won the bronze medal in judo at the
> Paralympic Games in Beijing, and in the spring, he will graduate from
> Chico State University. (Bill Husa/Staff Photo)"
>
> Photo 2 Caption, "Greg DeWall spent his first years of blindness with
> Macbeth, his seeing eye dog. Macbeth is now 9, retired and the family
> pet. (Bill Husa/Staff Photo)."
>
> A life reinvented: InnerView: Greg DeWall finds peace, success after
> troubled teen years By MARY NUGENT - Staff Writer Article Launched:
> 11/06/2008 12:00:00 AM PST
>
> CHICO - Greg DeWall will graduate from Chico State University in the
> spring. In September, he returned with a bronze medal in judo from the
> 2008 Paralympic Games in Beijing, China.
>
> Of course, he said, he'd hoped for a gold medal. "But I was glad to
get
> the bronze, it meant a lot. I'd like to go back and try again."
>
> DeWall, 29, said his family traveled to Beijing for the event, which
> features athletes with disabilities competing in Olympic events.
>
> "My family was very supportive ... If my mom and my sister have
anything
> to say about it, I'll be at the Paralympics in 2012."
>
> At the Paralympics, he was a brown belt in judo. He has since achieved
> black belt, first rank.
>
> The Paralympic success is an example of how DeWall has spent the last
> decade reinventing his life.
>
> He said as a high school senior in 1997, his expectations were
> unrealistic when he made a life-altering choice. "I describe it as a
> self-inflicted gunshot injury," he says.
>
> "At the time, I was overwhelmed. But I should have dealt with it in a
> better way." The attempted suicide left him blind.
>
> At 17, his concerns were those of a normal teenage boy. "All I really
> cared about was my truck, my girlfriend and the next wrestling
> tournament. But I was graduating in six months and I had decisions to
> make. I had a lot of good options - the military, college or work.
>
> "I put so much pressure on myself. I really thought I needed to know
> what I was going to do with the rest of my life."
>
> He has learned that at 17, most high school students don't know, nor
> should they be expected to know. "Today I tell kids, go to junior
> college. Take the time to find out what you really want to do."
>
> DeWall had always been an athlete. After undergoing reconstructive
> surgeries and adapting to a more sedentary life, he found himself
> gaining weight.
>
> His doctor suggested judo, because it's a "blind-friendly
sport,"DeWall
> said. He began taking judo at Haley's Martial Arts. "I took to it
right
> away, it felt very natural. I didn't plan on competition, but as a
> physical outlet a couple of times a week. And I lost 25 pounds."
>
> He became a member of the Chico Judo Club, the Blind Judo Foundation
and
> the U.S. Paralympic Judo Team. He liked the competitive aspect.
>
> "We fight sighted people. In judo, there is no striking - no punching
or
> kicking. It's about technique and speed."
>
> He also placed fifth in the 2007 International Blind Sports Federation
> World Judo Games in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and won a silver medal the same
> year at the Para Pan American Games in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
>
> "I will always be involved in some way with judo. I know what judo
does
> for me, the balance of body and mind."
>
> DeWall has made new friends, and has traveled to attend various
> activities with them. "There is a small blind community in Chico, but
I
> have many blind friends."
>
> He remembers a trip with other blind folks to Washington, D.C. "We
went
> tandem kayaking on the Potomac River," he said.
>
> He recently attended a convention for the blind in Dallas, Texas.
>
> "There were 2,500 blind people there. I spoke on a panel as a blind
> athlete."
>
> This spring, DeWall will receive a degree in recreation
administration,
> with a focus of therapeutic recreation.
>
> "I'll probably have to go to a big city, at least for a while, because
> there are more jobs ... What I'd really like to do is work with kids
in
> a hospital cancer ward. I would definitely like to work with kids.
They
> have a way of helping you, way more than you help them."
>
> There is a side bar to the article entitled, "In a nutshell"
>
> Name: Greg DeWall
>
> Hometown: Chico
>
> Age: 29
>
> For fun: "If I'm on the water, I'm happy. I like fishing, waterskiing,
> wakeboarding. I'm a woodworker. I started that before I lost my sight.
> Mostly now I make shelves and jewelry boxes. At an independent living
> center in Albany, they had a wood shop and it was great. I'd like to
> make furniture, bigger things."
>
> At the invitation of teachers, he speaks to students about suicide: "I
> tell them, things change day to day. You can be having a really bad
day,
> and the next one can be awesome. You never know. If you're thinking
> about suicide, wait one more day.
>
> "That's what I tell them: Wait one more day."
>
> Staff writer Mary Nugent can be reached at 896-7764 or
> mnugent at chicoer.com.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:32:44 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] finding guides
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Ron,
Thanks. Youre competetive; if I end up riding outdoors its for
recreation
purposes; I don't have a desire for competition.
>From your story it seems like you're the right place at the right time;
you
were lucky. I can be assertive but something inside me hesitates to ask
as
I don't want to seem like I'm begging or asking and giving nothing in
return. I'd be happy to treat someone to dinner or something as a thank
you
instead of money.
Still I wonder. So far I asked at my gym and no one has tandems. The
ladies riding outdoors all do so alone.
I can certainly ask but I have a feeling its easier said than done.
Heck i
had a difficult time finding readers and I was even paying a good hourly
wage!
I asked in many places and had flyers and it did not pay off.
Are you the one owning the tandem? How is it transported to the place
where
you ride? Those things are big. You say you pedal at the same speed
together. How do you know their pace? I suppose you sense it or
something
and it comes with practice; its been years since I was on a tandem.
Ashley
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:53 AM
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> Ashley Bramlett wrote, "Hi all,
> :
> : I'm impressed with the recent bike stories and hearing about past
> accomplishments. I am glad I am active, or try to be, for recreation
> purposes.
>
> Hi Ashley, I am happy to hear that we purked up your ears. That is one
of
> my
> hopes when I go off on one of my long, explanational e-mails.:) I want
to
> share the fun and the notion of how to get started, or pursue whatever
> goals
> you may have. You mention "recreation purposes", that is really what
it is
> all about. After years of riding tandems for fun, fitness, and other
> personal goals, , I eventually got into competitive cycling as a
natural
> progression. In fact, it is that competition that helps keep me
motivated
> to
> stay in shape. If I skip a workout, I may lose some fitness, but when
I
> think of how I might pay the price when racing, or let down my
teammate,
> then, I have more of a reason to train. The goal of fitness is more
secure
> at that point.
>
> Ashley wrote...You all seem to have it all covered wich is impressive.
A
> big barrier from my experience, and I'm sure many blind people, is
finding
> people to assist you outdoors. It takes coordination of schedules and
a
> commitment from the other person.
>
> Ron...Well, actually, it may seem that way at times, but it is a lot
of
> work. I am promoting myself for tandem pilots all the time. Sometimes,
I
> am
> subtle, other times, I need to be more direct and just ask. It is a
feast
> or
> famine venture. Some of my best support actually comes from Lori, from
> this
> list. Sometimes, I get pretty discouraged and complain to her. I cry
on
> her
> shoulder and she sends me back out there, inspired to ride again.
However,
> when it comes together, it is all worth it. That is what I need to
focus
> on
> to keep training.
>
> Ashley...It would be nice to run or power walk outdoors or bike,
weather
> permitting. But I settle for the gym only because I don't have help.
I'm
> sure most blind people are in my position and you all are the
minority.
> As
> anecdotal evidence, as I ask blind people what they like to do they
> mention
> sedentary activities like computers, tv or reading. Blind children
tell
> me
> reading or singing or a musical instrument. Rare do I hear of an
active
> activity. I think there is one runner out of perhaps twenty people in
my
> nfb chapter, one member.
>
> Ron...Much of what you just said, I think, is as much an American
epidemic
> in general. There is not as much interest in physical exercise and
> therefore, there is not the infrastructure of role models to mentor
> potential participants. Perhaps blind people have one more excuse. One
> reason I, myself, am on this list is to gain motivation from learning
> about
> the athletic pursuits of others here.
> :
> Ashley...So my question. How did you find guides to assist you in
> running,
> biking swimming, etc?
>
> It is an ongoing thing for me. However, I have to give credit to God
for
> my
> first tandem pilot. It took me over a year to buy my first tandem. The
one
> I
> wanted cost over $4,000. With my partial eyesight, I actually rode it
> myself, down to the bike shop for some speed parts. As I was leaving,
a
> man
> tapped me on the shoulder to ask me about my new machine. He and his
wife
> were planning to buy that exact model. I confessed that I was blind
and
> planned to be on the back seat. He gave me his card and became my
first
> pilot. On my first ride with him, I met my second pilot at a gas
station.
>
> Ashley...Are your guides paid? If not what motivates them? In the
> activity
> do you feel you can set the pace and own the workout or does your
guide
> say
> something?
>
> I cannot bring myself to pay a pilot, though it probably would help me
> find
> more. I do take them out to lunch or dinner, buy gas or entry fees, or
> contribute to the friendship other ways. I think what motivates them
is
> the
> whole tandem idea. Remember, sighted people buy tandems for that
> experience
> of togetherness and teamwork. It is fun to ride the tandem for many of
> them,
> because it is generally faster. I have had some riders want to ride
with
> me
> in order to keep up with their friends, or beat their husbands for a
> change.
> I think my pilot for Saturday's epic ride feels that she has a better
> chance
> of completing the entire ride with me on the tandem. Without her, I
may
> not
> be riding it at all, so it is a fair deal. Some of my best pilots are
so
> experienced with their single bike that they want a new challenge, or
to
> simply give back to the community.
>
> As far as owning the workout, I think the tandem has an advantage
here. If
> you two are just out for fun, then either one of you can ride as hard
or
> easy as you like. The only thing that needs to be the same is your
> cadence,
> or the speed of your pedalling. As for the effort, it can be 50/50, or
> 75/25, or whatever.
>
> It also depends on what rides you do. When I was getting ready for a
> recent
> time-trial, Tom, my pilot for our regular training ride asked me what
my
> goals were for the ride. Though he was not in as good of shape as me,
he
> put
> us in front of the group and told me to hammer for a while. That was
the
> race workout I needed. Other times, I will work hard on some hills,
while
> my
> pilots do their own comfortable pace. If I am tapering for an event, I
may
> become the slacker, but I try to set the expectations before we ride.
With
> a
> tandem, at least you are always together.
>
> Ashley...Thanks.
>
> Ron...Thanks for asking!
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:44:17 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
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Carly,
I have done spin classes. I could follow it pretty well. But there was
one
instructor who did not use the microphone and it was hard to hear
sometimes.
Yes spin is a great means of cardio. What appeals to you about it? I
like
how you do hills and sprints for variety and you can imagine you're
heading
somewhere.
I don't see how to follow a very movement based class. Perhaps I need
an
assistant to show me and/or give me additional explanation. The
instructors
cannot work with me during class because they are leading. In this case
the
instructor showed me many moves and explained what way they would turn.
Well, for me there was not enough explanation as to where to turn and I
struggled remembering all she said to do. I'd really like to have fun
like
everyone else. Maybe I'll look for an assistant to try another class.
Ashley
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
> At 09:07 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote:
>>Joe,
>>
>>Spin class, my friends!
>
> I spin each morning, and assuming you have a courteous instructor who
> lowers the music while she's talking it is a very GREAT means of
cardio.
> I imagine there are others here who have also tried spinning. Please
jump
> in!
> Carly
>
>>Glad you tried the boot camp and proved you could do
>>it.
>>
>>Well, I don't think cardio kick will work. I don't know how you all
>>follow classes. I tried it a few times After the first time, the
>>instructor gave me a list of common moves they would do; many I knew
from
>>working with a trainer. The class was a third strength even though
its
>>name is cardio kick. I practiced and came back.
>>
>>Although the instructor showed me the warmup, it was a lot of steps
such
>>as turning to the side and front and doing a punch toward that side.
With
>>the combo of fast pace and not sufficient auditory cues I got lost.
>>I'd like to try a cardio dance class but that is probably even more
visual
>>with many moves than cardio kick.
>>
>>Ashley
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>
>>
>>>Ashley,
>>>We have a "boot camp" class at my Y that I had to try because some
said
>>>it
>>>was too strenuous for me and I felt they thought I couldn't do it. I
was
>>>satisfied I have the fitness for the class, but this was more crap
than I
>>>wanted to deal with in the long run. It was like the arobics version
of a
>>>really fast hoky poky. There are so many movements in this thing that
it
>>>is
>>>just more than I want to do and I feel like the "am I doing this
right"
>>>portion of the program was cancelling out any benefit I would have
gotten
>>>out of it. I was okay once I, and more importantly everyone else
(smile),
>>>was sure I could do it. Go for it!
>>>Joe
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
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>>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:40 PM
>>>Subject: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I've mentioned my interest in fitness classes. I've done spinning
and
>>>>found that to be accessible. There are auditory instructions so you
>>>>know
>>>>what to do.
>>>>
>>>>Classes look so fun at my health club but they are mainly dance
based
>>>>and
>>>>real fast. Classes such as step aerobics and cardio jam are
examples.
>>>>I
>>>>thought about cardio kickboxing. I really hesitate to try due to
the
>>>>fast
>>>>pace and other issues like my not so coordinated body.
>>>>
>>>>So my question. Have you done cardio kickboxing or aerobics? What
was
>>>>a
>>>>typical class like? What sort of moves are in cardio kickboxing?
I'm
>>>>aware its cardiovascular based and martial arts combined.
>>>>I may be able to bring an assistant to class to assist me in guiding
me
>>>>in
>>>>the moves. I also will talk to the instructor. So if I don't
>>>>participate, at least I will satisfy my curiousity about what cardio
>>>>kickboxing entails.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Ashley
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:49:08 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
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Joe,
Do you cycle outdoors too? Did you attend other classes at the gym?
----- Original Message -----
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> Ron,
> You are my hero. Good luck and fun to you this weekend! I wish I could
get
> down there for the ride.
> JS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron & the bears" <rockthebike at usfamily.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>
>
>> Hi Joe & all,
>>
>> Music is such an important part of exercise for me. It literally
blocks
>> out
>> the pain, or helps me maintain a certain attitude or tempo.
>>
>> For fast group rides, I love the B-52's "Rock Lobster".
>>
>> But Sir, if you like to climb, have I got a deal for you.
>>
>> This Saturday, I am riding my tandem in the Tour das Hugel, or Tour
of
>> the
>> Hills in German. www.tourdashugel.com
>>
>> It is a 112 mile ride seasoned with 14,600 feet of hill climbing. For
>> comparison, most 60-100 mile bike rides I do, have anywhere from 500
to
>> 4,000 feet of climbing.
>>
>> I rode it last year with Travis, a 31-year-old, first-time tandem
pilot,
>> who
>> was the 2007 Texas State mountain biking champion for his category.
We
>> were
>> the first tandem to ever show up for, let alone finish the event.
Going
>> up
>> one of the hills, I was eating a Cliff bar, with one hand on the
>> handlebar.
>> As the hill became steeper, it got my attention as I felt the extra
>> resistance in the pedals. I quickly grabbed the handlebar and pulled
>> hard,
>> while digging into my stroke. Travis, must have accelerated in a
similar
>> manner. Together, we pulled the front wheel of the tandem off the
ground
>> a
>> few inches. We even had a witness next to us on his single bike. We
>> cruised
>> the ride at a leisurely pace in about nine and a half hours,
including
>> time
>> at the rest-stops.
>>
>> My favorite AC/DC song for sports motivation is "Shoot to Kill".
However,
>> for this ride, it was not about intense power as much as survival. I
had
>> never ridden so many steep hills in a row before, so I rode
>> conservatively
>> all day. With one of the most daunting hills, hanging over my head,
at
>> the
>> 95-mile mark, I mostly thought of that song, "Big Girl Now". I love
how
>> Fergie sings that one. The song kept me mellow and focused on
completing
>> the
>> whole thing. On that last big hill, though, I was letting it all hang
out
>> while hearing Motley Crue's "Kick Start My Heart". For the last 50
meters
>> of
>> that climb, I became a little emotional and wanted to show the hill
who
>> was
>> tougher. I tried to sprint with all I had. I impressed my pilot for a
few
>> seconds, before my legs were full of acid at the summit.:) For the
last
>> few
>> miles of gently rolling terrain, back to the finish line, I meditated
on
>> the
>> lyric, "When we started this ride, I'd admit, maybe we wouldn't last.
>> Some
>> Hills gone by, and I'd say we kicked some..."
>>
>> Most of these hills are no longer than 3 or 4 blocks, but they are
very
>> steep, averaging around 23 percent grade. This means that as you move
>> forward 100 feet, you go up 23 feet. This may be about the height of
a
>> 2-story house in the length of two and a half city busses??
>>
>> The whole ride is hosted by local volunteers and it is free to ride.
Many
>> of
>> the rest-stops are in peoples yards or driveways. Last year, a girl
scout
>> troop managed a rest-stop for one of the brownie's 15 year-old
brother,
>> who
>> was participating in the ride. The sense of community is a real
>> empowering
>> aspect of the event! Though the ride is over 100 miles long, it is
all
>> within Austin.
>>
>> This year, I am riding with Patricia, a 55-year-old triathlete with a
PHD
>> in
>> medicine. After my usual, team training ride Sunday morning, I rode a
>> 25-mile practice session with her. We are riding hills again on
Thursday
>> night to ensure the bike is set for her and mechanically sound. She
has
>> an
>> excellent attitude and wants to finish the whole enchilada.
>>
>> I think I rode 80-85 miles on Sunday, but it has been a while since I
>> have
>> ridden a century, maybe back in May? The temps will range from 47 to
>> about
>> 67, good hill-climbing weather, but it will be windy, which means
that
>> much
>> more work. It will be a real challenge, but I try not to think about
it
>> too
>> much. Mindset is important for this event. Just one hill at a time,
then
>> recover for the next.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ron & the uphill all day bears
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>> "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>, wrote, "AC/DC is great climbing
music.
>> For
>> Those about to Rock is a fantastic spin song.
>> : Joe
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:50:54 -0700
From: "Matthew Hines" <matthew at aaabvi.org>
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Winterhaven Run through the Lights
To: "Cody Alvarez" <calvarez at seeitourway.org>, "AZCB"
<azcb-chat at googlegroups.com>, "Diane Rabb"
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Good Evening Everyone,
The Southern Arizona Association for the Visually Impaired is gathering
a
group to participate in the 2008 Winterhaven Run through the Lights
event on
Sunday December 14th @ 6:00pm. Right now we are looking for volunteers
to
be a guide runner/walker to a blind or visually impaired individual so
that
they make take part in this great event.
The Winterhaven Run Through The Lights is a non-competitive, 5K fun run
through the lights of Winterhaven. This fun run/walk is a casual-paced
run
with a few stops (to re-group) and filled with
<http://www.azroadrunners.org/events/winterhaven/music.html> singing and
lots of holiday cheer. Festive, holiday attire is encouraged (antlers,
lights, striped socks...).
If you would like to volunteer as a guide for this great event please
contact us. We look forward to seeing you there! The deadline to
register
volunteer is December 1st.
Matthew Hines
(520)-664-6148
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0600
From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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Ashley, at this time I do not yet cycle outdoors. I got a sweet tandom
at an
auction late this summer and haven't been out yet. I currently do the
combat
sports we've discussed, spin, swim, run outdoors, walk with a friend,
and
lift. I'm trying to fit more in but am about tapped for time (smile)
JS
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From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
> Joe,
>
> Do you cycle outdoors too? Did you attend other classes at the gym?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>
>
>> Ron,
>> You are my hero. Good luck and fun to you this weekend! I wish I
could
>> get down there for the ride.
>> JS
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron & the bears" <rockthebike at usfamily.net>
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joe & all,
>>>
>>> Music is such an important part of exercise for me. It literally
blocks
>>> out
>>> the pain, or helps me maintain a certain attitude or tempo.
>>>
>>> For fast group rides, I love the B-52's "Rock Lobster".
>>>
>>> But Sir, if you like to climb, have I got a deal for you.
>>>
>>> This Saturday, I am riding my tandem in the Tour das Hugel, or Tour
of
>>> the
>>> Hills in German. www.tourdashugel.com
>>>
>>> It is a 112 mile ride seasoned with 14,600 feet of hill climbing.
For
>>> comparison, most 60-100 mile bike rides I do, have anywhere from
500 to
>>> 4,000 feet of climbing.
>>>
>>> I rode it last year with Travis, a 31-year-old, first-time tandem
pilot,
>>> who
>>> was the 2007 Texas State mountain biking champion for his category.
We
>>> were
>>> the first tandem to ever show up for, let alone finish the event.
Going
>>> up
>>> one of the hills, I was eating a Cliff bar, with one hand on the
>>> handlebar.
>>> As the hill became steeper, it got my attention as I felt the extra
>>> resistance in the pedals. I quickly grabbed the handlebar and pulled
>>> hard,
>>> while digging into my stroke. Travis, must have accelerated in a
similar
>>> manner. Together, we pulled the front wheel of the tandem off the
ground
>>> a
>>> few inches. We even had a witness next to us on his single bike. We
>>> cruised
>>> the ride at a leisurely pace in about nine and a half hours,
including
>>> time
>>> at the rest-stops.
>>>
>>> My favorite AC/DC song for sports motivation is "Shoot to Kill".
>>> However,
>>> for this ride, it was not about intense power as much as survival. I
had
>>> never ridden so many steep hills in a row before, so I rode
>>> conservatively
>>> all day. With one of the most daunting hills, hanging over my head,
at
>>> the
>>> 95-mile mark, I mostly thought of that song, "Big Girl Now". I love
how
>>> Fergie sings that one. The song kept me mellow and focused on
completing
>>> the
>>> whole thing. On that last big hill, though, I was letting it all
hang
>>> out
>>> while hearing Motley Crue's "Kick Start My Heart". For the last 50
>>> meters of
>>> that climb, I became a little emotional and wanted to show the hill
who
>>> was
>>> tougher. I tried to sprint with all I had. I impressed my pilot for
a
>>> few
>>> seconds, before my legs were full of acid at the summit.:) For the
last
>>> few
>>> miles of gently rolling terrain, back to the finish line, I
meditated on
>>> the
>>> lyric, "When we started this ride, I'd admit, maybe we wouldn't
last.
>>> Some
>>> Hills gone by, and I'd say we kicked some..."
>>>
>>> Most of these hills are no longer than 3 or 4 blocks, but they are
very
>>> steep, averaging around 23 percent grade. This means that as you
move
>>> forward 100 feet, you go up 23 feet. This may be about the height of
a
>>> 2-story house in the length of two and a half city busses??
>>>
>>> The whole ride is hosted by local volunteers and it is free to ride.
>>> Many of
>>> the rest-stops are in peoples yards or driveways. Last year, a girl
>>> scout
>>> troop managed a rest-stop for one of the brownie's 15 year-old
brother,
>>> who
>>> was participating in the ride. The sense of community is a real
>>> empowering
>>> aspect of the event! Though the ride is over 100 miles long, it is
all
>>> within Austin.
>>>
>>> This year, I am riding with Patricia, a 55-year-old triathlete with
a
>>> PHD in
>>> medicine. After my usual, team training ride Sunday morning, I rode
a
>>> 25-mile practice session with her. We are riding hills again on
Thursday
>>> night to ensure the bike is set for her and mechanically sound. She
has
>>> an
>>> excellent attitude and wants to finish the whole enchilada.
>>>
>>> I think I rode 80-85 miles on Sunday, but it has been a while since
I
>>> have
>>> ridden a century, maybe back in May? The temps will range from 47 to
>>> about
>>> 67, good hill-climbing weather, but it will be windy, which means
that
>>> much
>>> more work. It will be a real challenge, but I try not to think about
it
>>> too
>>> much. Mindset is important for this event. Just one hill at a time,
then
>>> recover for the next.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ron & the uphill all day bears
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
>>> "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>, wrote, "AC/DC is great climbing
music.
>>> For
>>> Those about to Rock is a fantastic spin song.
>>> : Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:57:14 -0600
From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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Ashley,
I believe there is something to be said for getting the work done. I
guess
that is the short way to say I can go to a few of these different cardio
classes and ask a thousand questions and get what they are doing many
times,
having the instructor walk me through over and over disrupting their
class
or another person's, or I can go to something I already know like an
hour
spin class, which is pretty explanatory, or ride the eliptical for an
hour,
another thing a monkey can do, and get what I refer to as a cardio hour.
I
do not think cardio hour is a real unit of measurement lol. I am
certainly
not meaning for my tone to be discouraging at all and learning new
things is
great, but never lose sight of the proverbial ball which is in many
cases
the work or output.
As for money, never forget walking, running, push-ups, crunches,
sit-ups,
dancing, jumping, stretching, and bending are free and can be done alone
anywhere. Well I guess when I say anywhere I should caution that you can
incur funky looks from others in many places, but that is the joy of
being
blind right?
Okay, here are my two pennies (smile)
Joe Shaw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
> Carly,
>
> I have done spin classes. I could follow it pretty well. But there
was
> one instructor who did not use the microphone and it was hard to hear
> sometimes. Yes spin is a great means of cardio. What appeals to you
about
> it? I like how you do hills and sprints for variety and you can
imagine
> you're heading somewhere.
>
> I don't see how to follow a very movement based class. Perhaps I need
an
> assistant to show me and/or give me additional explanation. The
> instructors cannot work with me during class because they are leading.
In
> this case the instructor showed me many moves and explained what way
they
> would turn. Well, for me there was not enough explanation as to where
to
> turn and I struggled remembering all she said to do. I'd really like
to
> have fun like everyone else. Maybe I'll look for an assistant to try
> another class.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>
>
>> At 09:07 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote:
>>>Joe,
>>>
>>>Spin class, my friends!
>>
>> I spin each morning, and assuming you have a courteous instructor who
>> lowers the music while she's talking it is a very GREAT means of
cardio.
>> I imagine there are others here who have also tried spinning. Please
jump
>> in!
>> Carly
>>
>>>Glad you tried the boot camp and proved you could do
>>>it.
>>>
>>>Well, I don't think cardio kick will work. I don't know how you all
>>>follow classes. I tried it a few times After the first time, the
>>>instructor gave me a list of common moves they would do; many I knew
from
>>>working with a trainer. The class was a third strength even though
its
>>>name is cardio kick. I practiced and came back.
>>>
>>>Although the instructor showed me the warmup, it was a lot of steps
such
>>>as turning to the side and front and doing a punch toward that side.
>>>With the combo of fast pace and not sufficient auditory cues I got
lost.
>>>I'd like to try a cardio dance class but that is probably even more
>>>visual with many moves than cardio kick.
>>>
>>>Ashley
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ashley,
>>>>We have a "boot camp" class at my Y that I had to try because some
said
>>>>it
>>>>was too strenuous for me and I felt they thought I couldn't do it. I
was
>>>>satisfied I have the fitness for the class, but this was more crap
than
>>>>I
>>>>wanted to deal with in the long run. It was like the arobics version
of
>>>>a
>>>>really fast hoky poky. There are so many movements in this thing
that it
>>>>is
>>>>just more than I want to do and I feel like the "am I doing this
right"
>>>>portion of the program was cancelling out any benefit I would have
>>>>gotten
>>>>out of it. I was okay once I, and more importantly everyone else
>>>>(smile),
>>>>was sure I could do it. Go for it!
>>>>Joe
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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>>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:40 PM
>>>>Subject: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>I've mentioned my interest in fitness classes. I've done spinning
and
>>>>>found that to be accessible. There are auditory instructions so
you
>>>>>know
>>>>>what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Classes look so fun at my health club but they are mainly dance
based
>>>>>and
>>>>>real fast. Classes such as step aerobics and cardio jam are
examples.
>>>>>I
>>>>>thought about cardio kickboxing. I really hesitate to try due to
the
>>>>>fast
>>>>>pace and other issues like my not so coordinated body.
>>>>>
>>>>>So my question. Have you done cardio kickboxing or aerobics? What
was
>>>>>a
>>>>>typical class like? What sort of moves are in cardio kickboxing?
I'm
>>>>>aware its cardiovascular based and martial arts combined.
>>>>>I may be able to bring an assistant to class to assist me in
guiding me
>>>>>in
>>>>>the moves. I also will talk to the instructor. So if I don't
>>>>>participate, at least I will satisfy my curiousity about what
cardio
>>>>>kickboxing entails.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ashley
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:16:01 -0500
From: "Lori" <twilight2 at kconline.com>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] finding guides
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Ashley,
With a program like BORP in the San Francisco Bay area they provide a
bike
and pilot for people to try. There are also tandem groups around the
country
so maybe looking at tandems of America. I am not aware of any organized
programs on the East coast, but I'll be on the lookout.
I don't want to discourage, but just because you have a tandem doesn't
mean
it makes it any easier to find a pilot. I still struggle finding people
at
times. I've had to show up at the bike shop in the past before the local
rides took off and just ask--I don't like going that route, and in fact
haven't done this lately, so maybe that's why I don't have a regular
person
to ride with right now. Keeping up with the spin classes is good so
that
when you do have a chance to go out on the road you'll have some
fitness,
plus spinning is good for developing a smooth pedal stroke.
Keep looking!
Lori
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] finding guides
> Kathy,
>
> I think I might ask a cycling club if I can find one; there is likely
one
> in
> my area; I know there are running clubs.
> The thing is in my case I need the pilot to supply everything. I do
not
> own
> a tandem and cannot rent one. They are thousands of dollars and
unless
> I'm
> going to ride on a regular basis, paying for one is really not
worthwhile.
> I'd ride recreationally whereas Ron rides competitively.
> I'd rather not pay someone either but would say thanks in other ways
such
> as
> a dinner treat.
>
> Its been my experience that its difficult to find people to be of
> assistance. I had lots of trouble two semesters finding readers and I
was
> even paying a good hourly rate! I've also found readers not so
reliable
> and
> I hope this would not happen with a recreation guide. These would be
> adults
> whereas my readers have been students so hope its different.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy McGillivray" <kjm at usfamily.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] finding guides
>
>
>> Hi. I want to add a few comments to what Ron has said. While I am
nowhere
>> near as experienced or skilled as he is at finding pilots or at
cycling,
>> I
>> need to agree with him. It can be a pain sometimes to try to find
pilots
>> or "guides", as you say. The best way to find them is to ask. There's
a
>> verse in the Bible which I think applies here: "You have not because
you
>> ask not." While it's talking about asking God for things, I think it
>> applies to people, as well. I have not paid people to ride with me,
>> although I do treat them to dinner at times or try to help them in
other
>> ways. I've met some great people through tandem cycling. A lot of
them
>> just want to bike and want to make it possible for me to bike, too.
One
>> person I've biked with some in the past year was in the market for
>> atandem
>> and wanted me to show him some tips for being a captain to his
>> girlfriend.
>> He wanted to try a tandem out first before buying one. I rode with
him
>> for
>> about two hours and he bought a tandem a week later. (Hey, I'll take
what
>> I can get.)
>>
>> The main things I would say are ask and don't give up. I don't mean
that
>> you should keep pestering the same person, but I do mean that you
just
>> need to keep asking different people. Finding a cycling club can
really
>> help. I have Ron to thank for getting me hooked up with the bicycling
>> club
>> in the twin cities. Try going on google and seeing if there is a club
in
>> your area.
>>
>> I'm just sad that it's under 30 degrees today in Minnesota and my
main
>> biking season is over. I do have a pilot who bikes all winter though
and
>> wants to try it some with me, so maybe I'll stop being a wimp and try
the
>> under 30 degrees stuff one of these days.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Kathy McGillivray
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron & the bears" <rockthebike at usfamily.net>
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] finding guides
>>
>>
>>> Ashley Bramlett wrote, "Hi all,
>>> :
>>> : I'm impressed with the recent bike stories and hearing about past
>>> accomplishments. I am glad I am active, or try to be, for
recreation
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley, I am happy to hear that we purked up your ears. That is
one
>>> of
>>> my
>>> hopes when I go off on one of my long, explanational e-mails.:) I
want
>>> to
>>> share the fun and the notion of how to get started, or pursue
whatever
>>> goals
>>> you may have. You mention "recreation purposes", that is really what
it
>>> is
>>> all about. After years of riding tandems for fun, fitness, and other
>>> personal goals, , I eventually got into competitive cycling as a
natural
>>> progression. In fact, it is that competition that helps keep me
>>> motivated
>>> to
>>> stay in shape. If I skip a workout, I may lose some fitness, but
when I
>>> think of how I might pay the price when racing, or let down my
teammate,
>>> then, I have more of a reason to train. The goal of fitness is more
>>> secure
>>> at that point.
>>>
>>> Ashley wrote...You all seem to have it all covered wich is
impressive.
>>> A
>>> big barrier from my experience, and I'm sure many blind people, is
>>> finding
>>> people to assist you outdoors. It takes coordination of schedules
and a
>>> commitment from the other person.
>>>
>>> Ron...Well, actually, it may seem that way at times, but it is a lot
of
>>> work. I am promoting myself for tandem pilots all the time.
Sometimes, I
>>> am
>>> subtle, other times, I need to be more direct and just ask. It is a
>>> feast
>>> or
>>> famine venture. Some of my best support actually comes from Lori,
from
>>> this
>>> list. Sometimes, I get pretty discouraged and complain to her. I cry
on
>>> her
>>> shoulder and she sends me back out there, inspired to ride again.
>>> However,
>>> when it comes together, it is all worth it. That is what I need to
focus
>>> on
>>> to keep training.
>>>
>>> Ashley...It would be nice to run or power walk outdoors or bike,
weather
>>> permitting. But I settle for the gym only because I don't have
help.
>>> I'm
>>> sure most blind people are in my position and you all are the
minority.
>>> As
>>> anecdotal evidence, as I ask blind people what they like to do they
>>> mention
>>> sedentary activities like computers, tv or reading. Blind children
tell
>>> me
>>> reading or singing or a musical instrument. Rare do I hear of an
active
>>> activity. I think there is one runner out of perhaps twenty people
in
>>> my
>>> nfb chapter, one member.
>>>
>>> Ron...Much of what you just said, I think, is as much an American
>>> epidemic
>>> in general. There is not as much interest in physical exercise and
>>> therefore, there is not the infrastructure of role models to mentor
>>> potential participants. Perhaps blind people have one more excuse.
One
>>> reason I, myself, am on this list is to gain motivation from
learning
>>> about
>>> the athletic pursuits of others here.
>>> :
>>> Ashley...So my question. How did you find guides to assist you in
>>> running,
>>> biking swimming, etc?
>>>
>>> It is an ongoing thing for me. However, I have to give credit to God
for
>>> my
>>> first tandem pilot. It took me over a year to buy my first tandem.
The
>>> one I
>>> wanted cost over $4,000. With my partial eyesight, I actually rode
it
>>> myself, down to the bike shop for some speed parts. As I was
leaving, a
>>> man
>>> tapped me on the shoulder to ask me about my new machine. He and his
>>> wife
>>> were planning to buy that exact model. I confessed that I was blind
and
>>> planned to be on the back seat. He gave me his card and became my
first
>>> pilot. On my first ride with him, I met my second pilot at a gas
>>> station.
>>>
>>> Ashley...Are your guides paid? If not what motivates them? In the
>>> activity
>>> do you feel you can set the pace and own the workout or does your
guide
>>> say
>>> something?
>>>
>>> I cannot bring myself to pay a pilot, though it probably would help
me
>>> find
>>> more. I do take them out to lunch or dinner, buy gas or entry fees,
or
>>> contribute to the friendship other ways. I think what motivates them
is
>>> the
>>> whole tandem idea. Remember, sighted people buy tandems for that
>>> experience
>>> of togetherness and teamwork. It is fun to ride the tandem for many
of
>>> them,
>>> because it is generally faster. I have had some riders want to ride
with
>>> me
>>> in order to keep up with their friends, or beat their husbands for a
>>> change.
>>> I think my pilot for Saturday's epic ride feels that she has a
better
>>> chance
>>> of completing the entire ride with me on the tandem. Without her, I
may
>>> not
>>> be riding it at all, so it is a fair deal. Some of my best pilots
are so
>>> experienced with their single bike that they want a new challenge,
or to
>>> simply give back to the community.
>>>
>>> As far as owning the workout, I think the tandem has an advantage
here.
>>> If
>>> you two are just out for fun, then either one of you can ride as
hard or
>>> easy as you like. The only thing that needs to be the same is your
>>> cadence,
>>> or the speed of your pedalling. As for the effort, it can be 50/50,
or
>>> 75/25, or whatever.
>>>
>>> It also depends on what rides you do. When I was getting ready for a
>>> recent
>>> time-trial, Tom, my pilot for our regular training ride asked me
what my
>>> goals were for the ride. Though he was not in as good of shape as
me, he
>>> put
>>> us in front of the group and told me to hammer for a while. That was
the
>>> race workout I needed. Other times, I will work hard on some hills,
>>> while
>>> my
>>> pilots do their own comfortable pace. If I am tapering for an event,
I
>>> may
>>> become the slacker, but I try to set the expectations before we
ride.
>>> With a
>>> tandem, at least you are always together.
>>>
>>> Ashley...Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ron...Thanks for asking!
>>>
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:09:14 -0800
From: "Jennifer Boylan" <jaboylan at gmail.com>
Subject: [Sportsandrec] More Paralympic Coverage--Blind Swimmer
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2008/11/13 Jennifer Boylan <jaboylan at sbcglobal.net>
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> More Paralympic coverage in the not-so-mainstream!
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:15:58 -0800
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kick boxing or aerobics class
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Ashley,
I like the aerobic quality of spin class.
Also, it was through spin that I met my good friend and pilot,
Alan. My gym, for some reason doesn't use the headset format so often
there are SNAFU's in hearing the instructor. That's kind of a drag.
But I don't think kick boxing or other movement oriented classes
would be all that worth it, given the overhead involved.
Do keep us posted on your finding a guide.
CarlyAt 08:44 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Carly,
>
>I have done spin classes. I could follow it pretty well. But there
>was one instructor who did not use the microphone and it was hard to
>hear sometimes. Yes spin is a great means of cardio. What appeals
>to you about it? I like how you do hills and sprints for variety
>and you can imagine you're heading somewhere.
>
>I don't see how to follow a very movement based class. Perhaps I
>need an assistant to show me and/or give me additional
>explanation. The instructors cannot work with me during class
>because they are leading. In this case the instructor showed me
>many moves and explained what way they would turn. Well, for me
>there was not enough explanation as to where to turn and I struggled
>remembering all she said to do. I'd really like to have fun like
>everyone else. Maybe I'll look for an assistant to try another class.
>
>Ashley
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carly Mihalakis"
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>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>
>
>>At 09:07 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote:
>>>Joe,
>>>
>>>Spin class, my friends!
>>
>>I spin each morning, and assuming you have a courteous instructor
>>who lowers the music while she's talking it is a very GREAT means of
cardio.
>>I imagine there are others here who have also tried spinning. Please
jump in!
>>Carly
>>
>>>Glad you tried the boot camp and proved you could do
>>>it.
>>>
>>>Well, I don't think cardio kick will work. I don't know how you
>>>all follow classes. I tried it a few times After the first time,
>>>the instructor gave me a list of common moves they would do; many
>>>I knew from working with a trainer. The class was a third
>>>strength even though its name is cardio kick. I practiced and came
back.
>>>
>>>Although the instructor showed me the warmup, it was a lot of
>>>steps such as turning to the side and front and doing a punch
>>>toward that side. With the combo of fast pace and not sufficient
>>>auditory cues I got lost.
>>>I'd like to try a cardio dance class but that is probably even
>>>more visual with many moves than cardio kick.
>>>
>>>Ashley
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ashley,
>>>>We have a "boot camp" class at my Y that I had to try because some
said it
>>>>was too strenuous for me and I felt they thought I couldn't do it. I
was
>>>>satisfied I have the fitness for the class, but this was more crap
than I
>>>>wanted to deal with in the long run. It was like the arobics version
of a
>>>>really fast hoky poky. There are so many movements in this thing
that it is
>>>>just more than I want to do and I feel like the "am I doing this
right"
>>>>portion of the program was cancelling out any benefit I would have
gotten
>>>>out of it. I was okay once I, and more importantly everyone else
(smile),
>>>>was sure I could do it. Go for it!
>>>>Joe
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:40 PM
>>>>Subject: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>I've mentioned my interest in fitness classes. I've done spinning
and
>>>>>found that to be accessible. There are auditory instructions so
you know
>>>>>what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Classes look so fun at my health club but they are mainly dance
based and
>>>>>real fast. Classes such as step aerobics and cardio jam are
examples. I
>>>>>thought about cardio kickboxing. I really hesitate to try due to
the fast
>>>>>pace and other issues like my not so coordinated body.
>>>>>
>>>>>So my question. Have you done cardio kickboxing or aerobics? What
was a
>>>>>typical class like? What sort of moves are in cardio kickboxing?
I'm
>>>>>aware its cardiovascular based and martial arts combined.
>>>>>I may be able to bring an assistant to class to assist me in
guiding me in
>>>>>the moves. I also will talk to the instructor. So if I don't
>>>>>participate, at least I will satisfy my curiousity about what
cardio
>>>>>kickboxing entails.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ashley
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:28:15 -0800
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kick boxing or aerobics class
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Ashley,
I agree with Joe.
Some things are just off limits to us, for the sheer fact of
disrupting others' experience while we are shown what to do.
I believe it easier just to accept that certain things are beyond our
worlds.
Carly
>Ashley,
>I believe there is something to be said for getting the work done. I
>guess that is the short way to say I can go to a few of these
>different cardio classes and ask a thousand questions and get what
>they are doing many times, having the instructor walk me through
>over and over disrupting their class or another person's, or I can
>go to something I already know like an hour spin class, which is
>pretty explanatory, or ride the eliptical for an hour, another thing
>a monkey can do, and get what I refer to as a cardio hour. I do not
>think cardio hour is a real unit of measurement lol. I am certainly
>not meaning for my tone to be discouraging at all and learning new
>things is great, but never lose sight of the proverbial ball which
>is in many cases the work or output.
>As for money, never forget walking, running, push-ups, crunches,
>sit-ups, dancing, jumping, stretching, and bending are free and can
>be done alone anywhere. Well I guess when I say anywhere I should
>caution that you can incur funky looks from others in many places,
>but that is the joy of being blind right?
>
>Okay, here are my two pennies (smile)
>Joe Shaw
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
><bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>
>
>>Carly,
>>
>>I have done spin classes. I could follow it pretty well. But
>>there was one instructor who did not use the microphone and it was
>>hard to hear sometimes. Yes spin is a great means of cardio. What
>>appeals to you about it? I like how you do hills and sprints for
>>variety and you can imagine you're heading somewhere.
>>
>>I don't see how to follow a very movement based class. Perhaps I
>>need an assistant to show me and/or give me additional
>>explanation. The instructors cannot work with me during class
>>because they are leading. In this case the instructor showed me
>>many moves and explained what way they would turn. Well, for me
>>there was not enough explanation as to where to turn and I
>>struggled remembering all she said to do. I'd really like to have
>>fun like everyone else. Maybe I'll look for an assistant to try
another class.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carly Mihalakis"
<carlymih at earthlink.net>
>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:51 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>
>>
>>>At 09:07 PM 11/10/2008, you wrote:
>>>>Joe,
>>>>
>>>>Spin class, my friends!
>>>
>>>I spin each morning, and assuming you have a courteous instructor
>>>who lowers the music while she's talking it is a very GREAT means of
cardio.
>>>I imagine there are others here who have also tried spinning.
>>>Please jump in!
>>>Carly
>>>
>>>>Glad you tried the boot camp and proved you could do
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I don't think cardio kick will work. I don't know how you
>>>>all follow classes. I tried it a few times After the first time,
>>>>the instructor gave me a list of common moves they would do; many
>>>>I knew from working with a trainer. The class was a third
>>>>strength even though its name is cardio kick. I practiced and came
back.
>>>>
>>>>Although the instructor showed me the warmup, it was a lot of
>>>>steps such as turning to the side and front and doing a punch
>>>>toward that side. With the combo of fast pace and not sufficient
>>>>auditory cues I got lost.
>>>>I'd like to try a cardio dance class but that is probably even
>>>>more visual with many moves than cardio kick.
>>>>
>>>>Ashley
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:16 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ashley,
>>>>>We have a "boot camp" class at my Y that I had to try because some
said it
>>>>>was too strenuous for me and I felt they thought I couldn't do it.
I was
>>>>>satisfied I have the fitness for the class, but this was more crap
than I
>>>>>wanted to deal with in the long run. It was like the arobics
version of a
>>>>>really fast hoky poky. There are so many movements in this thing
>>>>>that it is
>>>>>just more than I want to do and I feel like the "am I doing this
right"
>>>>>portion of the program was cancelling out any benefit I would have
gotten
>>>>>out of it. I was okay once I, and more importantly everyone else
(smile),
>>>>>was sure I could do it. Go for it!
>>>>>Joe
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:40 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Sportsandrec] cardio kickboxing or aerobics class
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've mentioned my interest in fitness classes. I've done spinning
and
>>>>>>found that to be accessible. There are auditory instructions so
you know
>>>>>>what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Classes look so fun at my health club but they are mainly dance
based and
>>>>>>real fast. Classes such as step aerobics and cardio jam are
examples. I
>>>>>>thought about cardio kickboxing. I really hesitate to try due
>>>>>>to the fast
>>>>>>pace and other issues like my not so coordinated body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So my question. Have you done cardio kickboxing or aerobics?
What was a
>>>>>>typical class like? What sort of moves are in cardio kickboxing?
I'm
>>>>>>aware its cardiovascular based and martial arts combined.
>>>>>>I may be able to bring an assistant to class to assist me in
>>>>>>guiding me in
>>>>>>the moves. I also will talk to the instructor. So if I don't
>>>>>>participate, at least I will satisfy my curiousity about what
cardio
>>>>>>kickboxing entails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ashley
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