[Sportsandrec] Addressing some issues

Sat Jun 27 02:21:33 UTC 2009

Cry me a river. Build a bridgeand get over it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Shaw" <jrs3147 at comcast.net>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Addressing some issues

> Hey Cowboy,
> Sarcastic? Me? No. (giggle)
> I was, am, and will be very serious in the idea and belief that I do not 
> feel it is right for a board member to criticise the body. The board is 
> elected to serve the body.
> It wasn't the message that bothered me so much, it was the tone. 
> Dissatisfaction occurs. You cannot please everyone all the time and all 
> you can do is your best. I think you guys have done so.
> As for the list police, I do not believe I have misunderstood anything. 
> The list is being monitored for inapropriate conduct that would damage, 
> besmirch, or otherwise impune the Sports and Recreation division in any 
> way. You sir, in my opinion, were out of line. I wouldn't want some parent 
> of a blind child or newly blinded adult curious about activities seeing a 
> board member bash the division for making suggestions. This offense, in my 
> opinion, is way worse than a dirty word slipping out every once in a while 
> or someone making a "sexual reference"
> As for fund raising ideas, we can never get enough of em. If you have 
> ideas you would like implimented for next year, please send them to 
> jrs3147 at comcast.net or call: 615-406-3988 and we can discuss your 
> thoughts. I am certain you have much to bring to the table and look 
> forward to working with you to make this division better.
> If there's anything else on this topic, I welcome discussion off-list at 
> the above email or phone number. I am sure the masses have heard enough 
> from us both. It sounds as if Justin  Williams owes us a drink in Detroit.
> "I'm a finder and I'm a keeper" "I'm not a loser and I ain't no weeper" 
> Bang Your Head Quiet Riot
> Joe Shaw
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph Hamilton" <jhamilton at societyfortheblind.org>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Addressing some issues
>
>
>> Hey Joe,
>> I find your rebuttal to be somewhat sarcastic.
>> I was not coming down on anyone for making suggestions.  Perhaps the
>> whole picture hasn't been laid out.  I encourage ongoing dialogue
>> amongst all participants.  What was happening with regards to this years
>> event, was people were coming in at the 11th hour and basically
>> challenging the established schedule.  Yes, that is insulting to me.  No
>> one prefaced there remarks by saying, thanks for your hard work or I
>> understand that it is difficult to get these events together.
>> You worked hard to find a viable fundraising option for the S&R
>> division.  If I would have come in last week, after the decisions had
>> already been made and raised hell about something that could have been
>> done to make it "better or cheaper."  You would have been somewhat put
>> off as well.
>> I am not trying to discourage anyone from taking an active roll in this
>> division.  All I am saying is please, realize that the extravaganza
>> organizing committee tried hard to get things together that didn't work.
>> Had we received these helpful contacts before the establishment of the
>> schedule, more things could have been done.  However, we didn't and so
>> what you have is a smaller more compact event then what was in Dallas
>> last year.  We also have a group of people who seem to be passionate
>> about events that are not being offered.  I am encouraging and
>> challenging those people to bring those passions to the board meeting
>> and to the event planning for 2010.
>> It is easy to sit back and say, "we could have had some event or
>> another."  I believe that displaying all of these resources at the last
>> minute undermind the hard work that was put in.  And will always cowboy
>> up to people and challenge them to get involved from the outset so we
>> don't have to miss out on possible additions to the next major event.
>> For the record, there is not a Board police.  You have missed
>> LM's point regarding board moderation.  Wanting to make sure that
>> messages are relevant and on point, language is kept PG and people are
>> able to express there views without being intimidated were the
>> reasonable guidelines that are in place.  Any parent or stranger who
>> would think about participating or getting their child involved would
>> want that involvement to be positive and supported.  That is exactly
>> what the Extravaganza can be both in Detroit and in the future.
>> I don't have any issues with people being disappointed in the event for
>> this year.  I myself am bummed that we couldn't bring goalball to my
>> home state.  My expectation is, that those who want to see their
>> specific event flourish in this venue get together and bring ideas
>> forward during the planning stages not during the execution stages.  I
>> hope this helps you to understand better where I was coming from.
>>
>> Joseph Hamilton
>> Program Manager,
>> California Access News
>> Society for the blind
>> 2750 24th st. Sacramento CA, 95818
>> 916-732-4010
>> jhamilton at societyfortheblind.org
>> www.societyfortheblind.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shaw
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:53 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Addressing some issues
>>
>> Dear list police,
>> I do not think this post should have made it through the censors.
>> Are you really insulted that people do not appreciate your hard work
>> Joe?
>> For the record, I appreciate it. Thank you very much Joe for all the
>> work
>> you and the board do for the Sports and Recreation division  throughout
>> the
>> year.
>> As for perspective, I wonder how much work non-boardmembers do in most
>> divisions, chapters, and organizations. In my experience in many of the
>> above, the answer is usually not much. This is the burden of being one
>> of
>> the leaders is providing for the many. I wonder how many things
>> individual
>> members have been asked to do?  I think people enjoy being asked to do
>> things.
>> Does chastising the membership for not doing more encourage them to do
>> so? I
>> doubt it. I laugh at and enjoy your little fit but some could be
>> offended by
>> it. I recognize it for what it probably is frustration of not having as
>> big
>> an event as last year through little fault of your own. You guys set a
>> pretty high standard last year. It was at a much easier location and
>> will be
>> again which will make this event look lack-luster having Dallas bounce
>> up in
>> 2010 again through no fault of anyone on the board.
>> On the last board call, a discussion was had as to list behavior and
>> what
>> was tolerable. I personally feel that having a board member crack on the
>>
>> body for offering suggestions as to what we might be interested in as
>> events
>> is one of the more discouraging and damning things to happen here. The
>> question was posed as to how a parent of a blind child or a newly blind
>> person would feel reading these  posts? Is the board comfortable with
>> this
>> being read by a stranger?   I love this division and believe everyone
>> here
>> does. I read and comprehended your plite as a hard working board member.
>> I
>> empathise. I hope you will read and comprehend my feelings as a member.
>> I do
>> not speak for the masses as I do not believe you to have spoken for the
>> board in it's entirity. I hope you understand I do not write my response
>> to
>> your post with mallace or anger just making a potential counter to your
>> point.
>> Let us work and play hard and well together going forward.
>> "Give a toast to the sun" "Drink with the stars" "Get thrown in the mix
>> and
>> tossed out of bars" "Zip to Tijuana I wanna rome" "Find Motown tell them
>>
>> fools to come back home" Kid Rock Cowboy
>> Joe Shaw
>> National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Fund Raising
>> Chair
>> and member at large
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joseph Hamilton" <jhamilton at societyfortheblind.org>
>> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:28 AM
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Addressing some issues
>>
>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> I wanted to bring some perspective to the list as a board member
>> charged
>>> with monitoring list traffic.
>>>
>>> Several times within the last Month, people have inquired about a
>> tandem
>>> event in Detroit.  Just for the record, the Extravaganza for this
>> year's
>>> convention has been in the planning stages since last November.  We
>> made
>>> several attempts to contact local bicycling groups to host some sort
>> of
>>> event.  We discovered the closest group I Michigan was in Kalamazoo
>>> which is 168 miles west of Detroit.  We also researched the
>> possibility
>>> of using a Canadian group but Windsor does not have such a group, or
>> at
>>> least we couldn't find one.
>>>
>>> I am one a group of people who has put in time brain storming and
>>> researching so we could have an event similar to the one in Dallas
>> last
>>> year.  Actually, my favorite sport Goalball, is not being offered at
>>> this year's event either.  That is because the city of Detroit does
>> not
>>> have very good access to services.
>>>
>>> All that being said, as a whole, we need to be more appreciative of
>> the
>>> work that has been done.  Perhaps if you had contacts that could have
>>> made an event like this possible, you could have attended one of our
>>> meetings in January.  Now we are less than two weeks from the
>> Convention
>>> and so all the questioning of what can be added or changed is
>> insulting.
>>> I am individually appreciative of all your ideas and offers to help.
>>> Just remember that you offered because in September, when we begin
>>> planning for the Dallas convention, I expect we should have quite a
>> good
>>> group of involved planners.
>>>
>>> I am sure just from my working with the planning committee, no one
>> wants
>>> to leave off sports.  In Dallas, goalball was the highest attended
>> event
>>> and we were not able to offer it this year.  I recognize the
>> popularity
>>> of the tandem event.  I know that in Dallas last year we had to put a
>>> cap on participants and the board is very open to ideas to help grow
>>> this event for the convention in 2010.  I will say that all the
>>> questioning and external planning is pretty insulting, because as I
>> said
>>> we have been trying to make the best of this situation for the last 7
>>> Months.
>>>
>>> I just ask you to consider the hard work put in by folks on this event
>>> before you start complaining about what got left out or cut because of
>>> limited space, resources and time.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can all view Detroit as an opportunity to try a new sport
>> or
>>> recreation.  Once we finish up with this extravaganza, we can all get
>>> together and talk about Dallas and what the future holds.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of your participation and support of the S&R division.
>>> Without you, we have no event or group at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Hamilton
>>>
>>> Program Manager,
>>>
>>> California Access News
>>>
>>> Society for the blind
>>>
>>> 2750 24th st. Sacramento CA, 95818
>>>
>>> 916-732-4010
>>>
>>> jhamilton at societyfortheblind.org
>>>
>>> www.societyfortheblind.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
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