[Sportsandrec] REPhysical fitness in the Blind community

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Today's Topics:

   1. Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Tina Hansen)
   2. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (TNABA)
   3. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Bill Kociaba)
   4. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Justin.Williams2)
   5. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Zeeshan Khan)
   6. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (TNABA)
   7. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Tina Hansen)
   8. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Rania Ismail CMT)
   9. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (TNABA)
  10. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Carly Mihalakis)
  11. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Zeeshan Khan)
  12. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (TNABA)
  13. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Bill Kociaba)
  14. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Julie J.)
  15. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Justin.Williams2)
  16. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
      (jody at thewhitehats.com)
  17. Legally blind South Korean archer (jody at thewhitehats.com)
  18. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
      (jody at thewhitehats.com)
  19. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Bill Kociaba)
  20. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Bill Kociaba)
  21. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Bill Kociaba)
  22. Re: Legally blind South Korean archer (Sean Whalen)
  23. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Tina Hansen)
  24. Korean archer (jody at thewhitehats.com)
  25. Re: Korean archer (Justin.Williams2)
  26. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Audrey Farnum)
  27. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Kathy McGillivray)
  28. Re: Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community (Matt Simpson)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:27:31 -0700
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
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Subject: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the blind
community. I know that the general population is not as fit as they could
be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:38:04 -0500
From: TNABA <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
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We have a lot of stuff like that on our website at www.tnaba.org   Feel free
to check it out. There's quite a bit of stuff that we've collected from
different types of researches. However, there is not a lot of research being
done about the fitness level of people who are blind and visually impaired.
You might also check out the foundation fighting blindness

Sent from my iPhone

Ricky jones

On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:27 PM, "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the blind
community. I know that the general population is not as fit as they could
be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:42:11 -0400
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
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hay Tina,
I haven't seen any stats but based on my observations of the blind comunity,

the level of fittness is even lower  than it is for the genrel public. There

are of course exceptions and many outstandingly fit and strong blind people 
out there but the level of "couch potatoism" (which runs rampent amongst the

American public)is at an even higher level for the blind.
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

> Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the blind 
> community. I know that the general population is not as fit as they could 
> be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:41:28 -0400
From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Yeah, he's got that right.  They seem to be on the extreme of heavily obese,
or rail thin, with the former probably more predominate than the latter.

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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

hay Tina,
I haven't seen any stats but based on my observations of the blind comunity,
the level of fittness is even lower  than it is for the genrel public. There
are of course exceptions and many outstandingly fit and strong blind people
out there but the level of "couch potatoism" (which runs rampent amongst the
American public)is at an even higher level for the blind.
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

> Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the 
> blind community. I know that the general population is not as fit as 
> they could be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:26:29 -0700
From: Zeeshan Khan <zeek786 at gmail.com>
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Wow this is an interesting discussion. I used to be a long distance runner
in high school, now I am legally blind so I don't really go running, but I
wonder why there is such a widespread 'couchpotatoism' as someone put it. I
am not completely blind, so I can't speak for those who are , but there are
quite a few ways to get fit, without ooing to a gym, because it can be a
tough task going to the gym when you are visually impaired. Besides
exercise, nutrition plays an important role in your physical well being as
well, I am sure as everyone knows. Even if someone can't exercise, I think
nutrition would be a good start. Thoughts?

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Yeah, he's got that right.  They seem to be on the extreme of heavily
> obese,
> or rail thin, with the former probably more predominate than the latter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:42 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
>
> hay Tina,
> I haven't seen any stats but based on my observations of the blind
> comunity,
> the level of fittness is even lower  than it is for the genrel public.
> There
> are of course exceptions and many outstandingly fit and strong blind
people
> out there but the level of "couch potatoism" (which runs rampent amongst
> the
> American public)is at an even higher level for the blind.
> Bill Kociaba
> CRUISEONE
> Bill at Ycruise.com
> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:27 PM
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
>
>
> > Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the
> > blind community. I know that the general population is not as fit as
> > they could be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:24:25 -0500
From: "TNABA" <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
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Well guys lets consider this, some of the most common problems with those 
who are visually impaired is that they don't have resources for 
transportation, have little or no support to get out and live life from 
friends, family, or the community, and or most visually impaired or blind 
are on SSI or SSDI or other limited budgets. With these factors and the fact

that it is a human natural trait to stay with what is familiar and 
especially if you can't see where you are going and have the security of 
seeing your surroundings. This is just some physical and mental barriers 
that we as blind people must overcome. If you are lucky enough to have these

things or be someone that has came to the exceptance of your situation and 
are willing to get out and embrace the world then that is great, however 
most have not unfortunatly.

If you have not had a chance check out our website we have alot of great 
info we have collected from a few different resources. www.tnaba.org
Ricky

Tennessee Association of Blind Athletes
1081 Zophi Street, Nashville TN 37216
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From: "Zeeshan Khan" <zeek786 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

> Wow this is an interesting discussion. I used to be a long distance runner
> in high school, now I am legally blind so I don't really go running, but I
> wonder why there is such a widespread 'couchpotatoism' as someone put it. 
> I
> am not completely blind, so I can't speak for those who are , but there 
> are
> quite a few ways to get fit, without ooing to a gym, because it can be a
> tough task going to the gym when you are visually impaired. Besides
> exercise, nutrition plays an important role in your physical well being as
> well, I am sure as everyone knows. Even if someone can't exercise, I think
> nutrition would be a good start. Thoughts?
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Justin.Williams2 
> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, he's got that right.  They seem to be on the extreme of heavily
>> obese,
>> or rail thin, with the former probably more predominate than the latter.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 7:42 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
>>
>> hay Tina,
>> I haven't seen any stats but based on my observations of the blind
>> comunity,
>> the level of fittness is even lower  than it is for the genrel public.
>> There
>> are of course exceptions and many outstandingly fit and strong blind 
>> people
>> out there but the level of "couch potatoism" (which runs rampent amongst
>> the
>> American public)is at an even higher level for the blind.
>> Bill Kociaba
>> CRUISEONE
>> Bill at Ycruise.com
>> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
>> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:27 PM
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
>>
>>
>> > Does anyone out there have any statitistics on fitness within the
>> > blind community. I know that the general population is not as fit as
>> > they could be. Is it similar in the blind community? Thanks.
>> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:55:04 -0700
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
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That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.

It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on them

right from their formative years.

I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I am 
doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.

I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people not 
working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you can't really

follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the moves. You need 
someone to explain the moves so you can do them.

Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a 
gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do about 
this.

I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech savvy, go

on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play on your

Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them cost 
anywhere from $1 to $15.

Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports store, 
that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which are small 
bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any chair at home. 
That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't cooperate with 
me.

I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both to 
look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at explaining 
things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed at 
the general market.

Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together that 
can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work with 
fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections dedicated

to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have additional thoughts.

I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You are 
setting a good example, and I thank you for it.

So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community has 
not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks 

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 22:03:17 -0300
From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
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I agree with what was said.
While I can't get to a gym I am working privately with a yoga instructor.
For me yoga is how I am staying active.
I am also interested in what others are doing.
Rania,

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[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Hansen
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 10:55 PM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.

It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on them

right from their formative years.

I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I am 
doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.

I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people not 
working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you can't really

follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the moves. You need 
someone to explain the moves so you can do them.

Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a 
gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do about 
this.

I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech savvy, go

on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play on your

Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them cost 
anywhere from $1 to $15.

Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports store, 
that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which are small 
bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any chair at home. 
That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't cooperate with 
me.

I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both to 
look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at explaining 
things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed at 
the general market.

Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together that 
can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work with 
fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections dedicated

to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have additional thoughts.

I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You are 
setting a good example, and I thank you for it.

So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community has 
not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks 

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:14:11 -0500
From: TNABA <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
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Another thought is that some insurances including Medicare cover a annual
membership to a gym such as a YMCA or other gyms

Sent from my iPhone

Ricky jones

On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:55 PM, "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
> 
> It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on
them right from their formative years.
> 
> I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I am
doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
> 
> I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people
not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you can't
really follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the moves.
You need someone to explain the moves so you can do them.
> 
> Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a
gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do about
this.
> 
> I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech savvy,
go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play on
your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them cost
anywhere from $1 to $15.
> 
> Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports
store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which are
small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any chair at
home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't cooperate
with me.
> 
> I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both to
look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at explaining
things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed at
the general market.
> 
> Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together that
can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work with
fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections dedicated
to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have additional thoughts.
> 
> I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You are
setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
> 
> So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community
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Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:56:29 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
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	Discussion List"	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
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Evening, sports&rec list

My totally blind partner and I go to the local health club where we 
participate in 60-90 minute indoor cycling classes, we usually do one 
in the morning and one in the evening.
If you try spin, be sure to go to class early and speak with the 
instructor about what you need, to benefit maximally, from spin. Now, 
I eat whatever I want, and I'm in pretty good shape I think.
Let us know of any questions about spin, okay?
I know there are folk like Kelly and others, who are also regular 
spinners and hopefully, they jump into this?
for today, Car:
>That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
>
>It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put 
>on them right from their formative years.
>
>I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, 
>I am doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
>
>I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired 
>people not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a 
>DVD, you can't really follow the workout because you don't know the 
>nature of the moves. You need someone to explain the moves so you can do
them.
>
>Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to 
>join a gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what 
>we can do about this.
>
>I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech 
>savvy, go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that 
>you can play on your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 
>player. Many of them cost anywhere from $1 to $15.
>
>Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports 
>store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, 
>which are small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you 
>use any chair at home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the 
>weather doesn't cooperate with me.
>
>I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, 
>both to look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at 
>explaining things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while 
>others are aimed at the general market.
>
>Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put 
>together that can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired 
>people can work with fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of 
>Future Reflections dedicated to this a couple of years ago, but I'm 
>sure others have additional thoughts.
>
>I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. 
>You are setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
>
>So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind 
>community has not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:46:37 -0700
From: Zeeshan Khan <zeek786 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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I think a personal trainer can be a bit expensive and given the limited
budget of visually impaired / blind people, it can be somewhat hard. I do
like the idea of putting a kit / tip sheet together that will help visually
impaired / blind people to start becoming fit. In my experience as a
visually impaired person, I can say that you do not need a gym. I think the
people that do stay active can put together a tip sheet or some material
for their fellow visually impaired/ blind people to get them started on
exercising.  I think we can help each other, by providing detailed
instructions on how different exercises are done, different routines etc.
This would save a lot of money that would have been spent on a personal
trainer. Let's do this guys, lets help each other out in getting active!

Sincerely,
Zeeshan

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:

> Evening, sports&rec list
>
> My totally blind partner and I go to the local health club where we
> participate in 60-90 minute indoor cycling classes, we usually do one in
> the morning and one in the evening.
> If you try spin, be sure to go to class early and speak with the
> instructor about what you need, to benefit maximally, from spin. Now, I
eat
> whatever I want, and I'm in pretty good shape I think.
> Let us know of any questions about spin, okay?
> I know there are folk like Kelly and others, who are also regular spinners
> and hopefully, they jump into this?
> for today, Car:
>
>> That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
>>
>> It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on
>> them right from their formative years.
>>
>> I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I am
>> doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
>>
>> I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people
>> not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you can't
>> really follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the moves.
>> You need someone to explain the moves so you can do them.
>>
>> Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a
>> gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do
about
>> this.
>>
>> I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech savvy,
>> go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play
on
>> your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them
cost
>> anywhere from $1 to $15.
>>
>> Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports
>> store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which
>> are small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any
chair
>> at home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't
>> cooperate with me.
>>
>> I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both
>> to look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at explaining
>> things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed
at
>> the general market.
>>
>> Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together
>> that can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work
>> with fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections
>> dedicated to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have
>> additional thoughts.
>>
>> I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You are
>> setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
>>
>> So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community
>> has not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:33:35 -0500
From: "TNABA" <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
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	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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I am all for the tip sheet. I like the idea.

Ricky
Tennessee Association of Blind Athletes
1081 Zophi Street, Nashville TN 37216
Email:      tnaba at bellsouth.net
Phone:     615-390-4178
Web:        www.tnaba.org
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From: "Zeeshan Khan" <zeek786 at gmail.com>
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<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

>I think a personal trainer can be a bit expensive and given the limited
> budget of visually impaired / blind people, it can be somewhat hard. I do
> like the idea of putting a kit / tip sheet together that will help 
> visually
> impaired / blind people to start becoming fit. In my experience as a
> visually impaired person, I can say that you do not need a gym. I think 
> the
> people that do stay active can put together a tip sheet or some material
> for their fellow visually impaired/ blind people to get them started on
> exercising.  I think we can help each other, by providing detailed
> instructions on how different exercises are done, different routines etc.
> This would save a lot of money that would have been spent on a personal
> trainer. Let's do this guys, lets help each other out in getting active!
>
> Sincerely,
> Zeeshan
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Carly Mihalakis 
> <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Evening, sports&rec list
>>
>> My totally blind partner and I go to the local health club where we
>> participate in 60-90 minute indoor cycling classes, we usually do one in
>> the morning and one in the evening.
>> If you try spin, be sure to go to class early and speak with the
>> instructor about what you need, to benefit maximally, from spin. Now, I 
>> eat
>> whatever I want, and I'm in pretty good shape I think.
>> Let us know of any questions about spin, okay?
>> I know there are folk like Kelly and others, who are also regular 
>> spinners
>> and hopefully, they jump into this?
>> for today, Car:
>>
>>> That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
>>>
>>> It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on
>>> them right from their formative years.
>>>
>>> I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I 
>>> am
>>> doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
>>>
>>> I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people
>>> not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you 
>>> can't
>>> really follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the 
>>> moves.
>>> You need someone to explain the moves so you can do them.
>>>
>>> Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a
>>> gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do 
>>> about
>>> this.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech 
>>> savvy,
>>> go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play 
>>> on
>>> your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them 
>>> cost
>>> anywhere from $1 to $15.
>>>
>>> Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports
>>> store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which
>>> are small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any 
>>> chair
>>> at home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't
>>> cooperate with me.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both
>>> to look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at 
>>> explaining
>>> things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed

>>> at
>>> the general market.
>>>
>>> Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together
>>> that can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work
>>> with fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections
>>> dedicated to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have
>>> additional thoughts.
>>>
>>> I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You 
>>> are
>>> setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community
>>> has not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Sportsandrec mailing list
>>> Sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
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.org/mailman/listinfo/sportsandrec_nfbnet.org>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:42:42 -0400
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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I want to make some other comments and observations.  First of all America 
is fat!!!  They say on the news that obesity is almost epidemic! So the 
blind comunity is right in line with the rest of the country...just perhaps 
the stats are a little higher.  I haven't had any sight for a few years but 
it always would amaze me when going to the mall or some other public place 
how many overweight people and I mean young people there were.  It is to the

point that if you go into a store looking for clothing the racks are full of

the larger sizes and its sometimes hard to find anything in a smaller size.
I attended national in Orlando last year and was really disapointed in the 
number of people who attended the sports and rec meeting.  I attended sevral

meetings covering a variety of topics and interests and the S and R meeting 
was by far the smallest group!
 Now here is where I am gonna piss some of you off.
I am hearing lots of excuses and some of you are just making this more 
complicated than it is.  You don't need a gym. You don't need accessable DVD

or audio programs and you don't need a personal trainer to get into better 
shape. You just need to really want to do it rather than talk about it. 
Now bare in mind that I am and have been a personal trainer for nearly 30 
years and I am still saying you don't need me or someone like me.  Now if 
your interest is in weight training or going to a gym, then you do need a 
professional to get you started right. Otherwise you can easily injure 
yourself. The trend in fittness the last few years has been twords 
"functional movements" what this means is doing things that are of real 
value in the real world.  In other words,walking, climbing, rowing etc.  I 
can go into the gym and leg press close to 1000lbs but how useful is that in

the real world?
Everyone can walk and walking is the most natural form of exercise there is.

We all know how to do a "deep knee bend" or a pushup or a sit up.  Nothing 
complicated. You can create a very effective training program just based on 
those three movements.
The subject of finances has been mentioned and blind people can't aford gyms

and trainers etc.  Funny how many little tecky gadgets most blind people 
have found the funds for.  Ricky is correct. many insurance co.s offer a gym

membership free of charge to their clients. If you do join a gym and are not

expeirianced with the strength training equiptment, talk with who ever is in

charge of the trainers. Explain your situation and ask if they can offer you

any kind of a discount.  The economy is not great and luxurys like personal 
training are the first thing people cut so you might find a trainer who is 
happy to do a few sessions for well below the former market price.  If you 
are intereested in taking some of the classes weather it be spinning or 
whatever ask if you can set up a meeting with the instructor  prior to 
starting the class.  That way they can guide you through things a bit and 
they will be awaire that you are there and will hopefully keep an eye in 
your direction.
If you go to a commercial gym try to go in the off hours just to make it 
easier to navigate. Most people in gyms are friendly and helpful and will 
actualy try to help you too much sometimes. If they see you in there at the 
same time pretty regularly they will get to know you and be there for you. 
You might be surprised how easily you might end up with a workout partner.
This may sound cold but honestly some of you spend too much time talking 
about why you can't rather than just trying.
When I first joined this list I offered my help with exercise and nutrition 
to anyone on the list at no cost of course and got virtually no takers yet I

hear people out there saying "I am blind...what can i do?"
Now get off your computors and go take a walk or climb some stairs or do 
some pushups!

Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zeeshan Khan" <zeek786 at gmail.com>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

>I think a personal trainer can be a bit expensive and given the limited
> budget of visually impaired / blind people, it can be somewhat hard. I do
> like the idea of putting a kit / tip sheet together that will help 
> visually
> impaired / blind people to start becoming fit. In my experience as a
> visually impaired person, I can say that you do not need a gym. I think 
> the
> people that do stay active can put together a tip sheet or some material
> for their fellow visually impaired/ blind people to get them started on
> exercising.  I think we can help each other, by providing detailed
> instructions on how different exercises are done, different routines etc.
> This would save a lot of money that would have been spent on a personal
> trainer. Let's do this guys, lets help each other out in getting active!
>
> Sincerely,
> Zeeshan
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Carly Mihalakis 
> <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Evening, sports&rec list
>>
>> My totally blind partner and I go to the local health club where we
>> participate in 60-90 minute indoor cycling classes, we usually do one in
>> the morning and one in the evening.
>> If you try spin, be sure to go to class early and speak with the
>> instructor about what you need, to benefit maximally, from spin. Now, I 
>> eat
>> whatever I want, and I'm in pretty good shape I think.
>> Let us know of any questions about spin, okay?
>> I know there are folk like Kelly and others, who are also regular 
>> spinners
>> and hopefully, they jump into this?
>> for today, Car:
>>
>>> That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
>>>
>>> It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put on
>>> them right from their formative years.
>>>
>>> I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, I 
>>> am
>>> doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
>>>
>>> I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired people
>>> not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a DVD, you 
>>> can't
>>> really follow the workout because you don't know the nature of the 
>>> moves.
>>> You need someone to explain the moves so you can do them.
>>>
>>> Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to join a
>>> gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we can do 
>>> about
>>> this.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech 
>>> savvy,
>>> go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you can play 
>>> on
>>> your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. Many of them 
>>> cost
>>> anywhere from $1 to $15.
>>>
>>> Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports
>>> store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, which
>>> are small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you use any 
>>> chair
>>> at home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the weather doesn't
>>> cooperate with me.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, both
>>> to look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at 
>>> explaining
>>> things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while others are aimed

>>> at
>>> the general market.
>>>
>>> Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together
>>> that can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can work
>>> with fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future Reflections
>>> dedicated to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure others have
>>> additional thoughts.
>>>
>>> I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You 
>>> are
>>> setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind community
>>> has not become physically active and what to do about it? Thanks
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Sportsandrec mailing list
>>> Sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>>
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.org/mailman/listinfo/sportsandrec_nfbnet.org>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:21:32 -0500
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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I agree with what Bill has said here.  It's the hard truth.  I did take 
him up on his offer of setting up an exercise program that would mesh 
well with my physical ability while I was recovering from my foot 
injury.  He was very easy to work with and the exercises he came up with 
allowed me to continue to maintain my fitness while not aggravating my 
injured foot.  A big thank you to Bill!

I also wanted to add that I have started running just in the past few 
weeks.  At first I could only make it a few feet before I was breathing 
hard and my foot was throbbing.  I kept at it, doing a little bit more 
each day.  When I got up to being able to run longer stretches I began 
taking every other day off so that my foot could rest and recover.  Now 
I can run all the way around the block where I live.  I realize this is 
a very short distance, but it feels amazing to have made that much progress.

I do not have a gym membership.  Where I live there is no dedicated 
workout facility like that and no YMCA either.  I have had to find ways 
to keep fit with not a lot of resources.  I walk a lot for my main 
exercise.  We have public hike and bike paths here that are very nice 
for walking or running.  The high school track is open to the public, of 
course when the students are not using it, but that still leaves quite a 
bit of opportunity.  I also found quite a few useful workout videos on 
you tube.  Not all of them had excellent descriptions, but they gave me 
ideas to add variety and keep things fun.  Unless you have some specific 
sport goal in mind or want to be a professional weightlifter, I don't 
think it matters so much what exercise you do.  If your goal is to be 
more fit, you can do just about any sort of movement that you find 
enjoyable and it will get you going in the right direction.

Julie

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:21:47 -0400
From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Guys,  you can also get some really good books on bodybuilding.  The book I
got was very detailed.  Go to the bard web site, and look for books on
fitness.  Some of them are very descriptive.  I learned a log from those
same kinds of books, ones from the state library for the blind just reading
and listening. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zeeshan Khan
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:47 AM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

I think a personal trainer can be a bit expensive and given the limited
budget of visually impaired / blind people, it can be somewhat hard. I do
like the idea of putting a kit / tip sheet together that will help visually
impaired / blind people to start becoming fit. In my experience as a
visually impaired person, I can say that you do not need a gym. I think the
people that do stay active can put together a tip sheet or some material for
their fellow visually impaired/ blind people to get them started on
exercising.  I think we can help each other, by providing detailed
instructions on how different exercises are done, different routines etc.
This would save a lot of money that would have been spent on a personal
trainer. Let's do this guys, lets help each other out in getting active!

Sincerely,
Zeeshan

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:

> Evening, sports&rec list
>
> My totally blind partner and I go to the local health club where we 
> participate in 60-90 minute indoor cycling classes, we usually do one 
> in the morning and one in the evening.
> If you try spin, be sure to go to class early and speak with the 
> instructor about what you need, to benefit maximally, from spin. Now, 
> I eat whatever I want, and I'm in pretty good shape I think.
> Let us know of any questions about spin, okay?
> I know there are folk like Kelly and others, who are also regular 
> spinners and hopefully, they jump into this?
> for today, Car:
>
>> That is a good point, and it explains why so many people stay at home.
>>
>> It all comes down to low expectations that blind people have had put 
>> on them right from their formative years.
>>
>> I, for one, am working on this issue. Although it's not always easy, 
>> I am doing my part by going to a fitness centr at least 3 times a week.
>>
>> I also think there are other reasons for blind/visually impaired 
>> people not working out at all. For one thing, if you try to get a 
>> DVD, you can't really follow the workout because you don't know the
nature of the moves.
>> You need someone to explain the moves so you can do them.
>>
>> Yes, income does play a factor, since many people can't afford to 
>> join a gym. My hope is that this will lead to a discussion of what we 
>> can do about this.
>>
>> I'd like to make a few suggestions along this line. If you're tech 
>> savvy, go on the Internet and look for downloadable workouts that you 
>> can play on your Victor Reader Stream or other accessible mp3 player. 
>> Many of them cost anywhere from $1 to $15.
>>
>> Also, look for simple tools, either around your house or at a sports 
>> store, that you can buy and use. I am looking into cycle trainers, 
>> which are small bike-like units that are pedals on a stand, and you 
>> use any chair at home. That way, I can still exercise, even if the 
>> weather doesn't cooperate with me.
>>
>> I'm interested in reviewing various downloadable workout programs, 
>> both to look at their quality, and to find out how good they are at 
>> explaining things. Some are targeted to the blind community, while 
>> others are aimed at the general market.
>>
>> Finally, I'd like to see a kind of tip sheet or tool kit put together 
>> that can give suggestions on how blind/visually impaired people can 
>> work with fitness instructors. I think we had an issue of Future 
>> Reflections dedicated to this a couple of years ago, but I'm sure 
>> others have additional thoughts.
>>
>> I wish to commend those of you who are getting physically active. You 
>> are setting a good example, and I thank you for it.
>>
>> So, does anyone else out there have insights on why the blind 
>> community has not become physically active and what to do about it? 
>> Thanks
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:01:29 -0400
From: <jody at thewhitehats.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Hello all,

One thing that occurs to me is that since we are all here with an interest
in fitness and sports that the Sports and Fitness Division could produce an
audio workout program describing moves and offer it for free to blind people
through the NFB, NLS and other organizations.  It would solve all the
problems mentioned and it would promote the Division.  The audio could
include an exercise program, nutritional information and interviews with
blind people who have been active in their sports to encourage blind couch
potatoes to join in.

JODY

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:13:59 -0400
From: <jody at thewhitehats.com>
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	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Legally blind South Korean archer
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Forwarding:

Legally blind South Korean archer Im Dong-Hyun eyes gold medal at the Games

Friday, July 27, 2012 8:37 AM

London 2012 Olympics: legally blind South Korean archer Im Dong-Hyun eyes
gold medal at the Games

He may not be able to read a newspaper at arms-length, being legally blind,
but South Korean Im Dong-Hyun is one of the favourites in the individual
archery gold medal at the London Games. 

REUTERS

By Oliver Pickup

10:22AM BST 26 Jul 2012

The 26 year-old, who hails from Chungbuk, already has two Olympic gold
medals to his name, having won the team event in Athens - aged only 18 - and
Beijing four years ago. 

It is a staggering feat when one considers that he has 20/200 vision in his
left eye, meaning he needs to be 10 times closer to see an object than
someone with perfect 20/20 vision. 

His right eye, meanwhile, is not much better - he has 20/100 vision in that
one - and yet he has no problem in hitting a 122cm target from 70 metres. 

His emergence as one of the best archers in the world is remarkable,
considering his distinct disadvantage - though Im is prickly when people
take pity on him. 

"I don't have a stick, I don't have a blind dog," he said after a practice
session at Lord's, where the archery competition will take place, on
Wednesday. "It's unpleasant when people say I'm disabled. All this interest
in my sight is not welcome." 

In addition to his Olympic medals he has a cabinet packed with other
trophies, including four world titles and another four Asian Games golds. 

Im says firing his pointed arrows at the board is much like an archer trying
to pinpoint the fruit in a still life painting in which the colours have run
after being left out in the rain. 

"With my vision, when I look at the target, it looks as if different colour
paints have been dropped in water," he continued. 

"The boundaries are not that clear and the lines between the colours are
very blurred." 

The archer has dismissed the notion of wearing glasses or undergoing eye
surgery, and instead prefers to rely on "feel" and his ability to pick out
the bright colours. 

"I've practised using glasses before but actually it makes me feel less
comfortable when I shoot," he said. 

"When I look down the range at the target all I can do is try to distinguish
between the different colours. If I couldn't see the colours, now that would
be a problem." 

One colour he does not have trouble picking out is gold, and he added: "This
is my third attempt at getting the individual medal and if I'm lucky I'll do
it."

Blind South Korean sets world marks

July 27, 2012, 7:04 AM ET

Associated Press 

LONDON -- A legally blind archer has helped South Korea set the first world
records of the Olympics.

Im Dong-hyun broke the 72-arrow mark with 699 points in men's archery.

He also took part in the team shoot Friday, teaming with Kim Bub-min and Oh
Jin-hyek. They broke the world record, scoring 2,087 points with 216 arrows.

Barbara

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:19:54 -0400
From: <jody at thewhitehats.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Hi Bill,

As someone who gained 40 pounds when I moved from a walking community to the
end of a dead end street I can agree with you 100 percent.  I'm losing
weight now working on a farm digging out a garden and all the other jobs
around here that get me outside.

I think that the first step is to recognize you have a problem which many
people never admit to.  Then eat right , give up the chips and the TV, go
outside  and you will be OK.

JODY

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:59:57 -0400
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Hay Jody,
Sounds like life on the farm is doing you good.
Funny thing, all the stuff you are doing and will do as part of daily life 
is the real world version of the current craze of functional strength 
training and cross fit! People pay big money to go to a cross fit gym to 
lift sand bags and push sleds and pull things and the world famous "farmer's

walk". In which you carry heavy objects while walking distances.  All stuff 
you will be doing while caring for your new home...and it doesn't cost a 
thing!
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'" 
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

> Hi Bill,
>
> As someone who gained 40 pounds when I moved from a walking community to 
> the
> end of a dead end street I can agree with you 100 percent.  I'm losing
> weight now working on a farm digging out a garden and all the other jobs
> around here that get me outside.
>
> I think that the first step is to recognize you have a problem which many
> people never admit to.  Then eat right , give up the chips and the TV, go
> outside  and you will be OK.
>
> JODY
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:06:47 -0400
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
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	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Hay Julie,
First thanks for the nice words.  I am glad what we discussed worked well 
for you. Also glad to hear you are healed and back to running.  Not my 
favorite form of exercise but if it works for you then go for it.  That is 
the key and Julie says it clearly below. Find something you enjoy doing...
Your training program must be fun or you will fail!  You need to look 
forward to those workouts with joy not dred.  That is the most important 
part of it. If you enjoy it you will work that much harder at it and the 
results will come surprisingly fast.
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

>I agree with what Bill has said here.  It's the hard truth.  I did take him

>up on his offer of setting up an exercise program that would mesh well with

>my physical ability while I was recovering from my foot injury.  He was 
>very easy to work with and the exercises he came up with allowed me to 
>continue to maintain my fitness while not aggravating my injured foot.  A 
>big thank you to Bill!
>
> I also wanted to add that I have started running just in the past few 
> weeks.  At first I could only make it a few feet before I was breathing 
> hard and my foot was throbbing.  I kept at it, doing a little bit more 
> each day.  When I got up to being able to run longer stretches I began 
> taking every other day off so that my foot could rest and recover.  Now I 
> can run all the way around the block where I live.  I realize this is a 
> very short distance, but it feels amazing to have made that much progress.
>
> I do not have a gym membership.  Where I live there is no dedicated 
> workout facility like that and no YMCA either.  I have had to find ways to

> keep fit with not a lot of resources.  I walk a lot for my main exercise. 
> We have public hike and bike paths here that are very nice for walking or 
> running.  The high school track is open to the public, of course when the 
> students are not using it, but that still leaves quite a bit of 
> opportunity.  I also found quite a few useful workout videos on you tube. 
> Not all of them had excellent descriptions, but they gave me ideas to add 
> variety and keep things fun.  Unless you have some specific sport goal in 
> mind or want to be a professional weightlifter, I don't think it matters 
> so much what exercise you do.  If your goal is to be more fit, you can do 
> just about any sort of movement that you find enjoyable and it will get 
> you going in the right direction.
>
> Julie
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:09:20 -0400
From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community
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Jody,
That is a fantastic idea and I would be happy to be a part of it.  Just need

someone who is tek savy to do the actual creation of it.
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jody at thewhitehats.com>
To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'" 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Statistics on Fitness in Blind Community

> Hello all,
>
> One thing that occurs to me is that since we are all here with an interest
> in fitness and sports that the Sports and Fitness Division could produce 
> an
> audio workout program describing moves and offer it for free to blind 
> people
> through the NFB, NLS and other organizations.  It would solve all the
> problems mentioned and it would promote the Division.  The audio could
> include an exercise program, nutritional information and interviews with
> blind people who have been active in their sports to encourage blind couch
> potatoes to join in.
>
> JODY
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:27:39 -0400
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
	<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Legally blind South Korean archer
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Poor bastards with their sticks and blind dogs. If he's 20/100 in the better
eye, is he even legally blind anyway?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jody at thewhitehats.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:14 AM
To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Legally blind South Korean archer

Forwarding:

Legally blind South Korean archer Im Dong-Hyun eyes gold medal at the Games

Friday, July 27, 2012 8:37 AM

London 2012 Olympics: legally blind South Korean archer Im Dong-Hyun eyes
gold medal at the Games

He may not be able to read a newspaper at arms-length, being legally blind,
but South Korean Im Dong-Hyun is one of the favourites in the individual
archery gold medal at the London Games. 

REUTERS

By Oliver Pickup

10:22AM BST 26 Jul 2012