[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

[Jessica Kostiw]

(Ashley and I went to the same middle and high schools.)  Ashley, who was
your aid?  I never had one... In middle school another student and I went
into another room with a tred mill.  The student loved it b/c she was pretty
much getting out of PE.

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From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 PM
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

I see what Jody is saying; as I grew older as a teen and now adult I do what

I want without too much concern about others perceptions.
No I won't appologize for the extra work of accomodations as I have a right 
to be in a class or workshop.
That said, fitness instructors and PE teachers are clueless about how to 
adapt games and help us. Someone has to educate them. Its not always the 
kids, they do not know what to say. A little kid, say ten years old, isn't 
going to boldly go up to their teacher  and say what they can do or tell the

teacher how to teach; kids just do not do that.
It's the teacher's role and parent's role to help.

As for aids, no Jody I don't agree with your comment. Aids, especially in 
PE, can serve a valuable role. I do not see evidence for being better off 
without an aid. How on earth are you better off when you do not get the 
visual info everyone else learns or sees a demonstration.
How are you better off when the class sees a video and the aid  is not there

to describe it?
School is more visual now; in your days jody, you had more lecture; now you 
have videos, computer programs teaching concepts, and other multimedia 
presentations such as powerpoint and adobe flash.
An aid can show or describe hands on what to do. As for my experience in PE,

it sucked mostly. My O&M instructor did educate them some; they asked 
another student in class to show me some of the exercises. For running, I 
did that with a student partner. In middle school, the emphasis was on 
sports games. We cannot get involved there as you can get hit by a ball 
easily. Yes we can play with audible balls in a small group; but we cannot 
play those games like soccer or volleyball without help.
In middle school, an aid or my O&M instructor took me out of PE and we went 
to the weight room to use the weight machines or the cardio equipment.
I would do the warm up calisthenics
with the class. Then we went to the other room to do something else while 
the class did their ball games.
The aide came from the autism room. I did not have a full time aide 
supervising me like some blind kids have.

A student should advocate at age appropriate times and politely. That comes 
with practice and maturity. A good TVI will help teach advocacy.
I support advocacy definitely, but I think it falls on the parents and 
special ed teachers to help at a young age.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Justin.Williams2
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:44 AM
To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Yes,  that is what I am talking.

-----Original Message-----
From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jody at thewhitehats.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:58 AM
To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Hi Justin,

Yes, you are right, I was really just repeating the expression but I don't
ask for forgiveness either.  I just go ahead and do what I planned and if
someone has a problem with it, first I educate, then if someone still has a
problem I tell them they are in my way and suggest they step aside.
Figuratively but it could be literally too.

JODY
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