[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Sat Aug 11 03:36:49 UTC 2012

Funny too Mike, because Vegas is one of the best MMA cities in America 
today. I garuntee you could have easily gotten a gym now. I toured Xtrem 
Couture when I was there and met Randy, really cool. These kids today... 
They don't know how lucky they are smile
J
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches


>I totally agree with you about that regarding organizing sports just for 
>blind or VI kids somewhere like a blind school.  The other point you 
>mentioned is something my mom beat her head against a wall all the time I 
>was growing up because she called virtually every sport in Las Vegas where 
>we lived and no one was willing to let me in their karate club or swimming 
>class or anything. We didn't have NFB contacts or anything to help us 
>advocate so not only did I NOT get the mainstream experience the sighted 
>kids didn't get to see me do anything either.  But thankfully we had 
>challenger little league even if it was all severely handicapped kids I at 
>least got to play with my beeper baseballs without breaking all my 
>neighbors' windows. <grin>
> Mike S
>
> On 8/10/2012 2:24 PM, Joe Shaw wrote:
>> Hey Mike,
>> I appreciate your experience. However, I think every blind kid has some 
>> horror story from school growing up. P.E. is one reason why I'm a 
>> believer in schools for the blind. It's one of the only ones, but sports 
>> which build confidence and being around other blind kids seeing that 
>> you're okay are good things in my opinion. If I had a blind kid in public 
>> school, I would handle the situation better now. First, it's easier now 
>> as my sighted kids and other kids across the country are having p.e. 
>> phased out of school anyway for the most part. Why are we fat as a 
>> nation? However, my blind kid would be excused from p.e. to avoid the 
>> entire sighted class having to adapt part of the time and my blind child 
>> being a weirdo. My lil blind baby would be enrolled in sports year-round 
>> he could play on a level field just as are my sighted kids and it would 
>> count toward little Johnny's grade.
>> JS
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List" 
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>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys,my PE teacher in junior high's favorite sport for the totally 
>>> blind was frisbee with no adaptation. Talk about cluless. He would go, 
>>> ok Mike hold up your hands, then throw the frisbee.
>>> That got old real fast. And I got a C for constantly strewing around 
>>> since I really couldn't do any of the unadapted things. It was very 
>>> lame.
>>> Mike S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/10/2012 10:01 AM, Jessica Kostiw wrote:
>>>> (Ashley and I went to the same middle and high schools.)  Ashley, who 
>>>> was
>>>> your aid?  I never had one... In middle school another student and I 
>>>> went
>>>> into another room with a tred mill.  The student loved it b/c she was 
>>>> pretty
>>>> much getting out of PE.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 PM
>>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>>
>>>> I see what Jody is saying; as I grew older as a teen and now adult I do 
>>>> what
>>>>
>>>> I want without too much concern about others perceptions.
>>>> No I won't appologize for the extra work of accomodations as I have a 
>>>> right
>>>> to be in a class or workshop.
>>>> That said, fitness instructors and PE teachers are clueless about how 
>>>> to
>>>> adapt games and help us. Someone has to educate them. Its not always 
>>>> the
>>>> kids, they do not know what to say. A little kid, say ten years old, 
>>>> isn't
>>>> going to boldly go up to their teacher  and say what they can do or 
>>>> tell the
>>>>
>>>> teacher how to teach; kids just do not do that.
>>>> It's the teacher's role and parent's role to help.
>>>>
>>>> As for aids, no Jody I don't agree with your comment. Aids, especially 
>>>> in
>>>> PE, can serve a valuable role. I do not see evidence for being better 
>>>> off
>>>> without an aid. How on earth are you better off when you do not get the
>>>> visual info everyone else learns or sees a demonstration.
>>>> How are you better off when the class sees a video and the aid  is not 
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>> to describe it?
>>>> School is more visual now; in your days jody, you had more lecture; now 
>>>> you
>>>> have videos, computer programs teaching concepts, and other multimedia
>>>> presentations such as powerpoint and adobe flash.
>>>> An aid can show or describe hands on what to do. As for my experience 
>>>> in PE,
>>>>
>>>> it sucked mostly. My O&M instructor did educate them some; they asked
>>>> another student in class to show me some of the exercises. For running, 
>>>> I
>>>> did that with a student partner. In middle school, the emphasis was on
>>>> sports games. We cannot get involved there as you can get hit by a ball
>>>> easily. Yes we can play with audible balls in a small group; but we 
>>>> cannot
>>>> play those games like soccer or volleyball without help.
>>>> In middle school, an aid or my O&M instructor took me out of PE and we 
>>>> went
>>>> to the weight room to use the weight machines or the cardio equipment.
>>>> I would do the warm up calisthenics
>>>> with the class. Then we went to the other room to do something else 
>>>> while
>>>> the class did their ball games.
>>>> The aide came from the autism room. I did not have a full time aide
>>>> supervising me like some blind kids have.
>>>>
>>>> A student should advocate at age appropriate times and politely. That 
>>>> comes
>>>> with practice and maturity. A good TVI will help teach advocacy.
>>>> I support advocacy definitely, but I think it falls on the parents and
>>>> special ed teachers to help at a young age.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Justin.Williams2
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>>
>>>> Yes,  that is what I am talking.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> jody at thewhitehats.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:58 AM
>>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>>
>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are right, I was really just repeating the expression but I 
>>>> don't
>>>> ask for forgiveness either.  I just go ahead and do what I planned and 
>>>> if
>>>> someone has a problem with it, first I educate, then if someone still 
>>>> has a
>>>> problem I tell them they are in my way and suggest they step aside.
>>>> Figuratively but it could be literally too.
>>>>
>>>> JODY
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