[Sportsandrec] clueless coaches

Wed Jul 11 01:30:10 UTC 2012

i don't disagree there's a need for education  i just don't believe 
even a small child can't be a source of education for the adults as 
much as the other way around.
Children have always had a serious underestimation attached to them as 
to what we can learn from them as grown-ups.
I mean "advocate",really?  this is the kind of protective jargon that 
perpetuates labels and attitudes better left alone.
I do however, agree that parents should play a larger part, but again, 
this fact is not unique to blind children.  My parents deserve a lot of 
credit for how i developed, but it is because they encouraged me to 
stand up for myself, speak for myself, and defy other people's limited 
imaginations.
sorry, but i'd rather be a trail blazer than the follower.  I realize 
this doesn't work for many people, but i feel as much as we have a 
responsibility to guide others of all ages and abilities, we have an 
equal responsibility to foster an attitude to be guides of their own 
comportment.
just my opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: TNABA <tnaba at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:36 pm
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Yes, I must agree. that is why I am so committed to the TNABA and the 
USABA
mission. We all must do our parts.

Ricky

Tennessee Association of Blind Athletes
1081 Zophi Street, Nashville TN 37216
Email:      tnaba at bellsouth.net
Phone:     615-390-4178
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:54 PM
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> ,
> older kids can advocate; but little kids do not know how to advocate 
and
> hopefully they slowly learn communication skills. You are taught to 
be
> quiet and listen to the teacher in school. Only in middle school do 
kids
> get more rowdy and begin to talk back or in the case of us talk up, I 
mean
> talk up our rights. I think it should be a parent to advocate for 
young
> children in combo with a good TVI. A gym teacher hasn't a clue how to
> assist a blind student; someone has to educate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannibal8it at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:44 PM
> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
> hello;
>
> My name is Mike, i know i've introduced myself to some of you.
> I've read through this entire thread, and i've got to ask, where is 
the
> discussion around the responsibility of the student?  One person i
> think mentioned talking to the parent about what's going on in 
class...
> but what is the kid comfortable doing?  that's where it really dwells.
> Sure the teachers have to use some common sense and judgement when it
> comes to class participation, however, i believe a fuller percentage 
of
> what can and can't be done lies with the student.  who knows his/her
> limitations better?
> I lost both my eyes to retino blastoma by the time i was six.  i
> participated in all PE activities, including flag football where i
> played nose tackle and center just by having my knuckles touch the 
nose
> of the ball; my idea, not the teachers.  i even stripped a kid who had
> 40lbs on me and scored a touchdown, he was as shocked as anyone.  LOL
> Basketball, just have another kid run under and clap once under the
> basket.  swimming, gymnastics, rope climbing,  volleyball, weights,
> track...
> i actually got a call at college one day by my former braille
> transcriber and mobility specialist, they wanted to know how i
> succeeded in gym class because a girl had come 2 years behind me and
> was struggling.  they asked, well, "what did you do with Mike."  The
> teacher's answer was "nothing, he just did it."  No reason anyone else
> can't be like that.  if they can't, it should be like any child
> comparison with sight; you're either an athlete or you're not, has
> nothing to do with vision.  Obviously you're not going to hit a
> baseball with as much success, but i think you get my point.
> i competed in wrestling from 3rd grade through my second year at The
> University of Pittsburgh, and also rowed stroke in a 4-man shell for
> the University.
> in junior/high school i also participated in track, did long jump and
> discus.
> Granted, it takes a little convincing of the parents/teachers, but
> that's my whole point.  We've got to tell these kids it's up to them,
> if we wait for the adults to figure it out, it'll be centuries.
> I grew up wrestling in PA, probably the most competitive state in the
> nation for this sport, in one of the 3 most competitive weight classes
> at 126lbs.  I'm not saying this to be immodest, i just want to help.  
I
> had written to Lisa M earlier looking for ways i can assist, and i'm
> still waiting for a response.
> Today i am lifting in a fully sighted open powerlifting federation, 
the
> IPA.  2 years ago i won Nationals for my age group at 198, it was
> incredible.  there's no reason other people can't feel this kind of
> success, especially the youngsters.
> I'm also certified as a strength coach by the NSCA, and a senior
> Olympic lifting coach by USAW.  so if anyone else knows where and how 
i
> could help...
> I remember at Pitt our coach use to make us wrestle with the lights
> out.  It wasn't because i was there, Coach Stottlemeyer had been doing
> that for years.
> These kinds of adaptations are out there, or just waiting to be found.
> All it takes is the right kid, and we can help.
> Coaches and teachers are there as resources, it is up to students and
> athletes to decide how to allow them to be of benefit, or be useful;
> and athletes/students to be coachable/teachable.  Blind students and
> athletes are no different in my opinion.
> thanks for allowing me to participate.
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
> Yeah, I met you.  We sat outside or a while, and you gave me some
> abdominal
> tips.  You have a dog right?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:00 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
> I am not sure. I was at the sports and rec meeting and I spoke. I am a
> former gym owner and am currently a massage therapist/personal trainer
> here
> in hollywood, Fl.
> I am sorry to say I met so many people that I am really not sure who 
was
> who.
>
> Bill Kociaba
> CRUISEONE
> Bill at Ycruise.com
> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>
>
>> Did I meet you bill last year/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 4:59 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>> Hay Justin,
>> I wasn't there.  I was in Orlando last year and will be again next
> year as
>
>> I
>> live in Fl.  Traveling to conventions outside of the state doesn't
> really
>> fit into my budget.
>>
>> Bill Kociaba
>> CRUISEONE
>> Bill at Ycruise.com
>> 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>> 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>
>>
>>>I wish I had a chance to meet you guys at convention.  I don't think
> that
>>>I
>>> have ever met you.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> jody at thewhitehats.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM
>>> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] clueless coaches
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I had a good friend who was a brittle diabetic.  His gym teacher's
> idea
>>> of
>>> toughing him up was to have him run laps until he calapsed and ended
> up
>>> in
>>> the emergency room in shock.
>>>
>>> Really, I look back and see how irresponsible some of these teachers
>>> were.
>>> Even having kids go outside in shorts and short sleeved shirts in
>>> November
>>> up north was so irresponsible.  If a parent sent their kid out to
> play in
>>> freezing weather in shorts and short sleeves they would be charged
> with
>>> child abuse!
>>>
>>> Some of the adaptive PE they come up with now a days isn't any
> better.
>>> The
>>> totally blind girl I mentioned who came in second place in her
> division
>>> in
>>> the judo tournament described PE in school.  The teacher had her sit
> in a
>>> chair and do arm exercises.  We joked about it all the time in 
class.
>>> Those
>>> are the exercises for an 80 year old cardiac patient, not a healthy
> 12
>>> year
>>> old blind girl.
>>>
>>> Oh don't get me started!  Actually I had so much faith in the public
>>> school
>>> system we homeschooled our daughter.  She got her diploma at 16.  
She
>>> started judo at 18 months of age but gave it up at 8.  Not to say 
she
>>> didn't
>>> learn anything.  She is married to a black belt in karate so now she
>>> loves
>>> kick boxing.
>>>
>>> Our son did get his black belt.  He started judo at 11.  He came
> home
>>> from
>>> school complaining a bully made him kiss a tree in order to be
> allowed to
>>> pass him.  Well, it didn't take long before that boy ended up eating
>>> grass
>>> and leaving our son alone.  Our son had a great tai-otoshi, he could
> even
>>> do
>>> it and make it look like the other guy tripped.
>>>
>>> We just moved to a small farm with 5 acres.  I am in heaven here.
> Tom
>>> and
>>
>>> I
>>> were just out in the barn and we found our mats.  We can put them
> out in
>>> the
>>> grass and play to our hearts content and with complete privacy
> except for
>>> our neighbor's horse.
>>>
>>> When we practice we have to leave the dogs inside because they think
> we
>>> are
>>> puppy wrestling and they want to join in.
>>>
>>> Between the farm and working out I hope to loose some of the weight
> I
>>> have
>>> put on over the last few years.  I was almost to my goal when my
> mother
>>> in
>>> law came to stay with us.  She loves junk food. It wasn't her fault,
> it
>>> was
>>> my fault for not having any will power.  I am determined now to get
> to my
>>> goal.  The Zone diet works best for us.
>>>
>>> JODY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JODY
>>>
>>>
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