[Sportsandrec] Running Independently Outdoors: Need Creative Ideas!

[Lori]

I know this won't help with drop offs, but maybe a hand held mini-guide 
might also be of use.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Running Independently Outdoors: Need Creative Ideas!


> Hello all. I am a totally blind runner and recently moved to a house near 
> a
> paved bike path. My crazy law school schedule and the schedules of 
> possible
> running guides do not coincide, so it is difficult for me to find a 
> running
> partner. I do run on a treadmill, but prefer to be outdoors. I would like 
> to
> run independently on the path. I plan to use a physical landmark and/or 
> GPS
> on my iPhone to let me know when I am nearing the point at which I started
> so I know where to exit the path to get home. I do not enjoy running with 
> my
> cane, as I like to run fast and the cane seems to get caught in things at
> times. I am looking for some sort of stick with a wheel on the end that
> rolls forward and backwards or some kind of ball that can roll in all
> directions  (not merely side-to-side as most cane roller tips do) so that 
> I
> can run while using a cane-like object. I know this sounds odd, but I am
> wondering if anyone has ideas as to how I might make something like this 
> for
> running. Ideally, the wheel or ball on the end could roll both side to 
> side
> and forward so that I could always continue moving forward. Your thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tai
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:55:04 -0400
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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> Hi Anita,
> The important thing is that you are creating something  that seems to be
> working for you and that you are having fun doing.  House work is not
> effective exercise.  It can be hard work but you really want to exercise 
> for
> the sake of exercising. In other words a focused effort  purley to make 
> you
> healthier or stronger or leaner(whatever your goals are)
> If you are having fun, you are sweating and your heart rate is up, you are
> on the right track.
> Finding a decent instructor is not always an easy thing.  In my experience 
> a
> lot of them tend to be flakes.   I know that is going to piss someone off
> but its true.  I owned a gym for years and delt with many insturctors on a
> professional level and it wasn't always easy.  As far as it being cost
> prohibative goes, you might find someone who teaches at a comunity center, 
> a
> JCC  or in a hospital wellness center who might be more willing to work 
> with
> you at a very reasonable price as these facilitys tend to pay less than 
> the
> big commercial health clubs so that instructor might be more flexable.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:40 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net> Hi Bill.
>
> I agree with you that doing a class one-on-one, when it's affordable, is a
> very good way to learn the moves.  I had actually tried to get the one 
> from
> AL to set up some time for us to do that but she never got around to it.
> When my money is right, I will seek out a good instructor and at least get
> down some of the basic moves.  for now, I am enjoying what I have done for
> the last two days.  That's probably not what a lot of folks want to do, 
> but
> I believe it is working for me.
>
> Prior to yesterday, I wasn't getting much in the way of physical activity.
> There's only so much housework to be done and I didn't feel motivated 
> enoug
> just to do some of the simple exercises like jumpin jacks, etc.  So this 
> has
> been good for me.
>
> Anita
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the
>> others laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have
>> observed tons of aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and
>> most of the time there are more people doing the moves wrong than
>> right.  If the moves are complicated the only doing them right is
>> usually the teacher.  And in my opinion when a teacher makes the moves
>> to complicated she is an egotist and is more about showing off than
>> really helping the class.
>> The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the 
>> instructor.
>> I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its
>> really the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus
>> is that the instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep a
>> closer eye in your direction.  You may find that if you contact the
>> instructor and explain your situation that he or she might be willing
>> to help you with no extra charge.
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually
>> found something I tried yesterday at home.
>>
>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair
>> and said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She
>> told them to let the music help them by moving to what they felt from
>> listening.  Then she incorporated the different arm and leg movements
>> into that.
>>
>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I
>> can share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.
>> I had learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in
> Birmingham.
>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>
>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try
>> it again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other
>> forms of exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I
>> didn't have the fun I did yesterday.
>>
>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she
>> lost weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she
>> was heavier and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went
>> from a size 14 to a size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said
>> that she didn't want to lose anymore but since she was teaching it
>> several times a week, I think she was going to lose a few more.  I
>> haven't spoken with her since last year, but I think I am going to
>> give her a call and see if she is still doing it.
>>
>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see
>> how I feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active
>> as I would like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end
>> up regretting it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness
>> I knew I would have and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my
>> abdominal muscles but I am determined to get healithier and possibly
>> stop taking medication for my blood pressure.  It may even help with
>> my sleeping issues for which I take medication as well.  My family's
>> medical history is chalked full of all of those illnesses of the
>> heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have that happen to me.
>> Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want to feel much
>> better about myself.
>>
>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell
>> you how it is going.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Anita,
>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>>> class; looks fun though.
>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>>> youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>>> since I have posted to the list.
>>>
>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness
>>> centers that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the
>>> way of
>> exercise.
>>>
>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in
>>> this form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some
> songs.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor
>>> back in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>>> challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>>> improvisation will work to some extent.
>>>
>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>>> forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Anita
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:20:35 -0700
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
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> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>, "'Sports and Recreation for the
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> Discussion List'" <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi, Ashley,
>
> At 05:56 AM 10/2/2012, Bill Kociaba wrote:
>>Good morning, Ashley,
>
>
> My partner, Robin and I wanted to get into abs classes at our gym
> where we are already avid spinners. I began by writing the instructor
> and hemet with us, administering private lessons FREE of charge! We
> learned the moves in his class and were able to circulate throughout
> the stations pretty seamless. And, we see the instructor on the bus
> sometimes and plainly, cultivated a new friend.
> You must contact the instructor to make sure he doesn't have any head
> trips going for which you ought to be wary.
> Good luck, Ashley and keep us posted!
> Car
>
>>I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the others
>>laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have observed tons of
>>aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and most of the time there
>>are more people doing the moves wrong than right.  If the moves are
>>complicated the only doing them right is usually the teacher.  And in my
>>opinion when a teacher makes the moves to complicated she is an egotist 
>>and
>>is more about showing off than really helping the class.
>>The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the instructor.
>>I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its
> really
>>the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus is that the
>>instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep a closer eye in
>>your direction.  You may find that if you contact the instructor and
> explain
>>your situation that he or she might be willing to help you with no extra
>>charge.
>>Bill
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>Anita Ogletree
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
>>To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually
> found
>>something I tried yesterday at home.
>>
>>I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
>>said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them 
>>to
>>let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
>>she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>>
>>What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
>>share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
>>learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
>>Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>>sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>
>>But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
>>again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms of
>>exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have
> the
>>fun I did yesterday.
>>
>>When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
>>weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was heavier
>>and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to a
>>size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
>>lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think
> she
>>was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
>>but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing 
>>it.
>>
>>But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
>>feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I 
>>would
>>like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
>>it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would 
>>have
>>and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I 
>>am
>>determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
>>blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I take
>>medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all of
>>those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have
>>that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want
>>to feel much better about myself.
>>
>>So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you
> how
>>it is going.
>>
>>Have a great day!
>>
>>Anita
>>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>> > Anita,
>> > welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>> > exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>> > I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>> > class; looks fun though.
>> > I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>> > and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>> > friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>> > youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>> >
>> > Good luck.
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Anita Ogletree
>> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>> > To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>> >
>> > I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>> > since I have posted to the list.
>> >
>> > My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>> > On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>> > Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers
>> > that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the way of
>>exercise.
>> >
>> > This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>> > Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>> > available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>> > form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some
> songs.
>> >
>> > Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>> > moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>> > music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back
>> > in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>> > challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>> > improvisation will work to some extent.
>> >
>> > I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>> > be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>> > forward to hearing from you.
>> >
>> > Warmest regards,
>> >
>> > Anita
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:14:07 -0500
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Great Workout Music
> Message-ID: <004301cda0da$7a63d4d0$6f2b7e70$@gmail.com>
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> Hello. Recently, someone posted about playlists of workout music. I have a
> few suggestions:
>
> 1. NPR Music has put together a workout music stream. The ultimate workout
> mix can be accessed through the NPR Music app on your mobile device, 
> through
> the Songza and Spotify apps on your mobile device,  or at:
> http://www.npr.org/2012/01/13/145185920/the-ultimate-npr-workout-mix
>
> 2. The Songza app allows you to choose playlists by activity or genre. One
> of the activities is working out, and you can choose from several 
> playlists
> with music appropriate for working out from every music genre.
>
> 3. Playlists on spotify. Check out the spotify app.
>
> 4. the Lolo apps for iPhone and possibly android allow you to choose beats
> per minute and the app will choose music with the correct BPM or speed up
> other music to meet the desired BPM.
>
>
> 5. I found a site containing playlists by beats per minute. It is:
> http://www.remanents.com/blog/bold-pace-music/
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Tai
>
>
>
>
>
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>   3. derek jeter pitch n hit (Mike)
>   4. Re: Hello! (Ashley Bramlett)
>   5. Re: Hello! (Ashley Bramlett)
>   6. Re: Hello! the music question (Ashley Bramlett)
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>   8. Re: Hello! (Bill Kociaba)
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> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:01:25 -0400
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> Hi,
>
> Well I'm in VA too. iIts northern va in fact; and more details can be 
> given
> off list.
> Anita, as I said before on list, there are not many organized fitness and
> recreation activities for blind people. Zumba, well, I  just asked about
> that and only received one response from Lori. The problem is classes go
> fast and I don?t think a DVD will explain the moves. Any friends or family
> willing to show you? I was just asking about that and was gonna reply to
> Lori soon.
> I looked for workout cds which would elimate the visual element and found
> none. Oh there's meditation and yoga cds, but that's it.
>
> My best suggestion is to join a gym that is friendly and affordable. Make
> sure you can operate the machines or are permitted to label them. You will
> probably need to join a zumba class at a gym or community center to learn.
> If you live in a major county like fairfax or arlington or Alexandria, 
> they
> got a big recreation department. The rec centers offer such classes.
> The main blind sport is bowling. The league meets in Arlington at Fort 
> myer.
>
> I can give more detail off list if interested.
> What prompted a move to VA and what sort of fitness do you like?
>
> I also can share  with you about the beep ball league that plays in the
> summer in falls church if interested. Its fun, but not much exercise; we 
> hit
> off a tee, where as regular  beep ball you are pitched a ball. its an
> informal game sponsored by the phone pioneers.
> If in VA and interested, we really need more players and it starts again 
> in
> july.
> As for me, I mainly walk and jog for my fitness.
> That's about all I can share about organized stuff for blind people.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ydnest at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
> Hello Anita  Where is Virginia do you live?   We live in Northern VA.
>
>
> Michelle Ouellet
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:36 am
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>
> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since 
> I
> have osted to the list.
> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On 
> May
> 4, 011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.  Unfortunately, I 
> have
> not een able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a member of and 
> I
> have ot had very much in the way of exercise.
> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during 
> Zumba.
>
> I
> lso did a search to see if there were any sites or videos available to to
> ndividuals that are blind that are interested in this form of fitness. 
> Have
> ot found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the 
> moves
> used n Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the music I just
> decided o swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in Alabama
> attempted to show e.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and that is
> always a hurdle for me; owever, I think my improvisation will work to some
> extent.
> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be 
> into
> his fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to 
> hearing
> rom you.
> Warmest regards,
> Anita
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:42:49 -0400
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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>
> Hi Ashly.  I would love to talk to you off list.  Email me here at
> anitaogletree at verizon.net.
>
> I needed a change from being an Bama girl.
>
> Let's talk soon!
>
> Anita
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:01 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well I'm in VA too. iIts northern va in fact; and more details can be
>> given off list.
>> Anita, as I said before on list, there are not many organized fitness and
>> recreation activities for blind people. Zumba, well, I  just asked about
>> that and only received one response from Lori. The problem is classes go
>> fast and I don?t think a DVD will explain the moves. Any friends or 
>> family
>
>> willing to show you? I was just asking about that and was gonna reply to
>> Lori soon.
>> I looked for workout cds which would elimate the visual element and found
>> none. Oh there's meditation and yoga cds, but that's it.
>>
>> My best suggestion is to join a gym that is friendly and affordable. Make
>> sure you can operate the machines or are permitted to label them. You 
>> will
>
>> probably need to join a zumba class at a gym or community center to 
>> learn.
>
>> If you live in a major county like fairfax or arlington or Alexandria,
>> they got a big recreation department. The rec centers offer such classes.
>> The main blind sport is bowling. The league meets in Arlington at Fort
>> myer. I can give more detail off list if interested.
>> What prompted a move to VA and what sort of fitness do you like?
>>
>> I also can share  with you about the beep ball league that plays in the
>> summer in falls church if interested. Its fun, but not much exercise; we
>> hit off a tee, where as regular  beep ball you are pitched a ball. its an
>> informal game sponsored by the phone pioneers.
>> If in VA and interested, we really need more players and it starts again
>> in july.
>> As for me, I mainly walk and jog for my fitness.
>> That's about all I can share about organized stuff for blind people.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: ydnest at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:44 AM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>> Hello Anita  Where is Virginia do you live?   We live in Northern VA.
>>
>>
>> Michelle Ouellet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
>> To: sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:36 am
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since
>> I have
>> osted to the list.
>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On
>> May 4,
>> 011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.  Unfortunately, I have
>> not
>> een able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a member of and I
>> have
>> ot had very much in the way of exercise.
>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>> Zumba. I
>> lso did a search to see if there were any sites or videos available to to
>> ndividuals that are blind that are interested in this form of fitness.
>> Have
>> ot found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>> moves used
>> n Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the music I just
>> decided
>> o swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in Alabama attempted to
>> show
>> e.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and that is always a hurdle 
>> for
>
>> me;
>> owever, I think my improvisation will work to some extent.
>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be
>> into
>> his fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to
>> hearing
>> rom you.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Anita
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:01:56 -0700
> From: Mike <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
> To: Sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] derek jeter pitch n hit
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> Hi Guys
> While I was at convention one of the teachers from BLIND inc. told me
> about this device: the Derek Jeter Pitch 'n' Hit.. It is a baseball with
> a hole in it that travels along a double cord, therefore, you can hear
> it coming very well. You tie one end to a tree or pole or something and
> you have a friend hold the handles of the cords at the other end. Then
> they pull the handles apart quickly and bring them back together, which
> is what propels the ball.
> I got one and I found that it is really fun. It's way easier than
> hitting a beeper ball. And no electronics to damage! It is pretty easy
> but more challenging than hitting a ball from a tee since the pitcher
> can vary the speed, so you can actually track the entire path of the
> ball by hearing, which you can't do with the intermittent beeps of the
> beeper balls. Just thought I'd let you guys know about that. It's also a
> good way to wow the neighborhood kids.
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:47:02 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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>
> Anita,
> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced class;
> looks fun though.
> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools and
> community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind friendly
> workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try youtube for such  a
> zumba demonstration.
>
> Good luck.
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since 
> I
> have posted to the list.
>
> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On 
> May
>
> 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.  Unfortunately, I
> have not been able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a member 
> of
>
> and I have not had very much in the way of exercise.
>
> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during 
> Zumba.
>
> I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos available to 
> to
>
> individuals that are blind that are interested in this form of fitness.
> Have not found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
>
> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the 
> moves
> used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the music I 
> just
> decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in Alabama
> attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and that is
> always a hurdle for me; however, I think my improvisation will work to 
> some
> extent.
>
> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be 
> into
>
> this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to 
> hearing
>
> from you.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Anita
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:50:04 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID: <A1A14B3647FC409896E0D0A32EBBA0FC at OwnerPC>
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>
> Michelle,
> Are you going to convention in richmond? If so, I will try and find you if 
> I
>
> go. Not sure I can make it yet.
> Are you interested in zumba or other fitness class? If so, maybe I can
> propose for the next VA convention they hire an instructor to lead a 
> class.
> It could be for zumba, aerobics or whatever we pick.
>
> I think it would be so much easier to learn in a class for blind people as
> the instructor would have to describe in detail moves then.
> A convention is a great place to get those involved in a fun thing  like
> zumba.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ydnest at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
> Hello Anita  Where is Virginia do you live?   We live in Northern VA.
>
>
> Michelle Ouellet
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:36 am
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>
> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since 
> I
> have
> osted to the list.
> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On 
> May
>
> 4,
> 011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.  Unfortunately, I have
> not
> een able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a member of and I
> have
> ot had very much in the way of exercise.
> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during 
> Zumba.
>
> I
> lso did a search to see if there were any sites or videos available to to
> ndividuals that are blind that are interested in this form of fitness. 
> Have
> ot found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the 
> moves
> used
> n Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the music I just
> decided
> o swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in Alabama attempted to
> show
> e.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and that is always a hurdle for
> me;
> owever, I think my improvisation will work to some extent.
> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be 
> into
> his fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to 
> hearing
> rom you.
> Warmest regards,
> Anita
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:52:23 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello! the music question
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>
> good question. Maybe asking a fitness instructor would answer this.
> I could see this upbeat music being motivating.
> if you have an itunes account, may want to try there.
> I usually don't workout with music, but if I do, I find disco upbeat 
> enough
> to move to.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Fred's ol' XP
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:05 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello! the music question
>
> Hi,
> I'm also interested in workout music.  Is there a stream that
> features music that ranges between 80 to 120-beats per minute?
> If not, wouldn't this be a cool group of audio streams to own/run?
> Thanks,
> Fred, a block from the beach, near San Diego
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:05:43 -0400
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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> reply-type=response
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink
> Ashley,
> I have actually found something I tried yesterday at home.
>
> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
> said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them 
> to
> let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
> she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>
> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
> share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
> learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>
> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
> again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms of
> exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have 
> the
>
> fun I did yesterday.
>
> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
> weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was heavier
> and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to a
> size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
> lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think 
> she
>
> was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
> but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing 
> it.
>
> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
> feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I 
> would
> like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
> it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would 
> have
> and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I 
> am
> determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
> blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I take
> medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all of
> those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have
> that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want
> to feel much better about myself.
>
> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you 
> how
>
> it is going.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Anita
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Anita,
>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced class;
>> looks fun though.
>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools and
>> community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind friendly
>> workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try youtube for such 
>> a
>
>> zumba demonstration.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since
>> I have posted to the list.
>>
>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On
>> May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since. 
>> Unfortunately,
>
>> I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a
>> member of and I have not had very much in the way of exercise.
>>
>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>> form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
>>
>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the 
>> music
>
>> I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in
>> Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and
>> that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my improvisation will
>> work to some extent.
>>
>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be
>> into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to
>> hearing from you.
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Anita
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:56:05 -0400
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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> Hi Ashley,
> I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the others
> laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have observed tons of
> aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and most of the time there
> are more people doing the moves wrong than right.  If the moves are
> complicated the only doing them right is usually the teacher.  And in my
> opinion when a teacher makes the moves to complicated she is an egotist 
> and
> is more about showing off than really helping the class.
> The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the instructor.
> I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its 
> really
> the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus is that the
> instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep a closer eye in
> your direction.  You may find that if you contact the instructor and 
> explain
> your situation that he or she might be willing to help you with no extra
> charge.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually 
> found
> something I tried yesterday at home.
>
> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
> said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them 
> to
> let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
> she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>
> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
> share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
> learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>
> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
> again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms of
> exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have 
> the
> fun I did yesterday.
>
> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
> weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was heavier
> and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to a
> size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
> lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think 
> she
> was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
> but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing 
> it.
>
> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
> feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I 
> would
> like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
> it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would 
> have
> and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I 
> am
> determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
> blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I take
> medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all of
> those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have
> that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want
> to feel much better about myself.
>
> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you 
> how
> it is going.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Anita
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Anita,
>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>> class; looks fun though.
>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>> youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>> since I have posted to the list.
>>
>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers
>> that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the way of
> exercise.
>>
>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>> form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
>>
>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back
>> in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>> challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>> improvisation will work to some extent.
>>
>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>> forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Anita
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 12:39:41 -0400
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> Hi Bill.
>
> I agree with you that doing a class one-on-one, when it's affordable, is a
> very good way to learn the moves.  I had actually tried to get the one 
> from
> AL to set up some time for us to do that but she never got around to it.
> When my money is right, I will seek out a good instructor and at least get
> down some of the basic moves.  for now, I am enjoying what I have done for
> the last two days.  That's probably not what a lot of folks want to do, 
> but
> I believe it is working for me.
>
> Prior to yesterday, I wasn't getting much in the way of physical activity.
> There's only so much housework to be done and I didn't feel motivated 
> enoug
> just to do some of the simple exercises like jumpin jacks, etc.  So this 
> has
>
> been good for me.
>
> Anita
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the 
>> others
>> laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have observed tons 
>> of
>> aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and most of the time 
>> there
>> are more people doing the moves wrong than right.  If the moves are
>> complicated the only doing them right is usually the teacher.  And in my
>> opinion when a teacher makes the moves to complicated she is an egotist
>> and
>> is more about showing off than really helping the class.
>> The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the 
>> instructor.
>> I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its
>> really
>> the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus is that 
>> the
>> instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep a closer eye in
>> your direction.  You may find that if you contact the instructor and
>> explain
>> your situation that he or she might be willing to help you with no extra
>> charge.
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually
>> found
>> something I tried yesterday at home.
>>
>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
>> said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them
>> to
>> let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
>> she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>>
>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
>> share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
>> learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>
>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
>> again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms 
>> of
>> exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have
>> the
>> fun I did yesterday.
>>
>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
>> weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was 
>> heavier
>> and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to 
>> a
>> size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
>> lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think
>> she
>> was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
>> but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing
>> it.
>>
>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
>> feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I
>> would
>> like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
>> it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would
>> have
>> and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I
>> am
>> determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
>> blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I 
>> take
>> medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all 
>> of
>> those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to 
>> have
>> that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I 
>> want
>> to feel much better about myself.
>>
>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you
>> how
>> it is going.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Anita,
>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>>> class; looks fun though.
>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>>> youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>>> since I have posted to the list.
>>>
>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers
>>> that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the way of
>> exercise.
>>>
>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>>> form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some 
>>> songs.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back
>>> in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>>> challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>>> improvisation will work to some extent.
>>>
>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>>> forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Anita
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:16:02 -0500
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Flip turns
> Message-ID: <004b01cda0da$bef2cbb0$3cd86310$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all. I am trying to learn to do flip turns. I received the adaptap 
> units
> and have installed them in the pool. They are great. However, I have never
> done flip turns and would like to master them for the most efficiency 
> while
> doing laps. Does anyone have tips?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tai
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:24:52 -0500
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Need An Incentive to Work Out?
> Message-ID: <004d01cda0db$fb0170b0$f1045210$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Here is a new service I have yet to try. I believe that an Android phone 
> or
> iPhone is required. GymPact charges you for missed workouts and rewards 
> you
> for meeting your weekly workout goals. When you sign up for an account, 
> you
> specify how many times a week you will go to the gym or run using the
> RunKeeper app. You enter the gym you will attend and link your RunKeeper
> account to GymPact. You enter your financial info securely and specify how
> much the app can charge you each time you miss your workout. When you get 
> to
> the gym or start a RunKeeper workout, start the GymPact app and complete
> your workout. Your phone's GPS will know how long you are at the gym or
> using RunKeeper and will register your workout. If you do not attend, you
> are charged the amount you committed to pay for missed workouts. If you do
> attend all of your workouts, then you are eligible to receive a payment. 
> The
> payments charged to users who do not complete their weekly workout goals 
> are
> then divided up among all of the users who did complete their weekly 
> workout
> goal. Each week, you have an opportunity to cancel your account if you do
> not want to participate that week. More information is available at:
> http://www.gympact.com
>
> Tai
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:37:24 -0500
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: blind_cycling at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] A Fitness Service I love: Earndit
> Message-ID: <006a01cda0dd$bb2f53b0$318dfb10$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Earndit,
> http://www.earndit.com,
> allows you to earn points toward free rewards just by completing your
> regular workouts. You need to use an approved device or app in order to
> participate. Approved activity measurement services include Foursquare (15
> points per gym check-in with a limit of one check-in per day), the 
> BodyMedia
> FIT armband which is what I use, the Nike running censor which I also use,
> and others. You can earn up to 60 points per day for a maximum of 420 
> points
> per week. Most rewards are at least 100 points. You can choose how you 
> wish
> to redeem your points. So far, I have racked up over 1000 points and have
> received gift cards to purchase organic dried fruit from
> http://www.peeledsnacks.com, a Nature Box organic snack subscription from
> http://www.naturebox.com, and a ManPacks subscription for my husband from
> http://www.manpacks.com. Other rewards available include gift cards toward
> workout gear, clothes, water bottles, protein bars, energy drinks, and
> design-your-own snack bars. Check it out! Nothing like free gift cards!
>
> Tai
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:40:55 -0700
> From: Fred's ol' XP <regenerative at earthlink.net>
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Great Workout Music
> Message-ID: <E1TJ9I7-0006Nu-Qb at elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Awesome list of resources!
> Thanks Tai
> Fred
>
> At 01:14 PM 10/2/2012, "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hello. Recently, someone posted about playlists of workout music. I have a
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:26:22 -0700
> From: Mike <underthetoaster at gmail.com>
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Flip turns
> Message-ID: <506B6A0E.7070408 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
> I just recently learned how to do it and the real secret is just
> practice. You have to get the rythm of how your stroke is positioned
> whin you go down and then the hard part for me was after you kick off,
> turning back over so you are right-side up again. I rocketed down to the
> bottom of the pool many times before I got it right! I had a sighted
> instructor showing me but just practicing was more helpful than all the
> blah blahing the teacher was saying.
> Mike
>
> On 10/2/2012 1:16 PM, Tai Blas wrote:
>> Hi all. I am trying to learn to do flip turns. I received the adaptap
> units
>> and have installed them in the pool. They are great. However, I have 
>> never
>> done flip turns and would like to master them for the most efficiency
> while
>> doing laps. Does anyone have tips?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tai
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:25:15 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID: <7083072CF08B4EE899A81AB8784C23A4 at OwnerPC>
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>
> Anita,
> sure I'll take the info. I share your concerns about being in a group and
> having sighted people think you're weird since you may not do what they're
> doing.
> Perhaps a fitness instructor could give you private lessons. I think
> exercise will go a long ways in helping prevent or control some of those
> family problems such as blood pressure and blood sugar.
>
> How long did you take zumba before and did the instructor help you
> individually?
>
> I'm real surprised a wheel chair bound person taught blind people zumba as
> she could not demonstrate it with the feet; well, maybe she got creative
> somehow.
>
> Glad you liked zumba and keep up with it.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink
> Ashley,
> I have actually found something I tried yesterday at home.
>
> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
> said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them 
> to
> let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
> she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>
> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
> share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
> learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>
> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
> again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms of
> exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have 
> the
> fun I did yesterday.
>
> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
> weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was heavier
> and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to a
> size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
> lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think 
> she
> was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
> but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing 
> it.
>
> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
> feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I 
> would
> like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
> it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would 
> have
> and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I 
> am
> determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
> blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I take
> medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all of
> those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have
> that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want
> to feel much better about myself.
>
> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you 
> how
> it is going.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Anita
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Anita,
>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced class;
>> looks fun though.
>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools and
>> community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind friendly
>> workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try youtube for such 
>> a
>
>> zumba demonstration.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while since
>> I have posted to the list.
>>
>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On
>> May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since. 
>> Unfortunately,
>
>> I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers that I was a
>> member of and I have not had very much in the way of exercise.
>>
>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>> form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some songs.
>>
>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the 
>> music
>
>> I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back in
>> Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged and
>> that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my improvisation will
>> work to some extent.
>>
>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be
>> into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward to
>> hearing from you.
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Anita
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:56:11 -0400
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID: <BLU170-DS36C26CCB6FE0D2284DBAE3DA850 at phx.gbl>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Bill.
>
> Thank you for the suggestions.  And I agree that it is sometimes very
> challenging whenever dealing with high-priced gyms.  I can't even begin to
> think about getting a personal trainer.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Anita
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Hi Anita,
>> The important thing is that you are creating something  that seems to be
>> working for you and that you are having fun doing.  House work is not
>> effective exercise.  It can be hard work but you really want to exercise
>> for
>> the sake of exercising. In other words a focused effort  purley to make
>> you
>> healthier or stronger or leaner(whatever your goals are)
>> If you are having fun, you are sweating and your heart rate is up, you 
>> are
>> on the right track.
>> Finding a decent instructor is not always an easy thing.  In my 
>> experience
>
>> a
>> lot of them tend to be flakes.   I know that is going to piss someone off
>> but its true.  I owned a gym for years and delt with many insturctors on 
>> a
>> professional level and it wasn't always easy.  As far as it being cost
>> prohibative goes, you might find someone who teaches at a comunity 
>> center,
>
>> a
>> JCC  or in a hospital wellness center who might be more willing to work
>> with
>> you at a very reasonable price as these facilitys tend to pay less than
>> the
>> big commercial health clubs so that instructor might be more flexable.
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:40 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net> Hi Bill.
>>
>> I agree with you that doing a class one-on-one, when it's affordable, is 
>> a
>> very good way to learn the moves.  I had actually tried to get the one
>> from
>> AL to set up some time for us to do that but she never got around to it.
>> When my money is right, I will seek out a good instructor and at least 
>> get
>> down some of the basic moves.  for now, I am enjoying what I have done 
>> for
>> the last two days.  That's probably not what a lot of folks want to do,
>> but
>> I believe it is working for me.
>>
>> Prior to yesterday, I wasn't getting much in the way of physical 
>> activity.
>> There's only so much housework to be done and I didn't feel motivated
>> enoug
>> just to do some of the simple exercises like jumpin jacks, etc.  So this
>> has
>> been good for me.
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:56 AM
>> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>> I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the
>>> others laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have
>>> observed tons of aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and
>>> most of the time there are more people doing the moves wrong than
>>> right.  If the moves are complicated the only doing them right is
>>> usually the teacher.  And in my opinion when a teacher makes the moves
>>> to complicated she is an egotist and is more about showing off than
>>> really helping the class.
>>> The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the
>>> instructor.
>>> I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its
>>> really the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus
>>> is that the instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep a
>>> closer eye in your direction.  You may find that if you contact the
>>> instructor and explain your situation that he or she might be willing
>>> to help you with no extra charge.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually
>>> found something I tried yesterday at home.
>>>
>>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair
>>> and said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She
>>> told them to let the music help them by moving to what they felt from
>>> listening.  Then she incorporated the different arm and leg movements
>>> into that.
>>>
>>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I
>>> can share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.
>>> I had learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in
>> Birmingham.
>>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>>
>>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try
>>> it again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other
>>> forms of exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I
>>> didn't have the fun I did yesterday.
>>>
>>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she
>>> lost weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she
>>> was heavier and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went
>>> from a size 14 to a size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said
>>> that she didn't want to lose anymore but since she was teaching it
>>> several times a week, I think she was going to lose a few more.  I
>>> haven't spoken with her since last year, but I think I am going to
>>> give her a call and see if she is still doing it.
>>>
>>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see
>>> how I feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active
>>> as I would like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end
>>> up regretting it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness
>>> I knew I would have and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my
>>> abdominal muscles but I am determined to get healithier and possibly
>>> stop taking medication for my blood pressure.  It may even help with
>>> my sleeping issues for which I take medication as well.  My family's
>>> medical history is chalked full of all of those illnesses of the
>>> heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have that happen to me.
>>> Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want to feel much
>>> better about myself.
>>>
>>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell
>>> you how it is going.
>>>
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>> Anita
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>>> Anita,
>>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>>>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>>>> class; looks fun though.
>>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>>>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>>>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>>>> youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>>>> since I have posted to the list.
>>>>
>>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>>>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness
>>>> centers that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the
>>>> way of
>>> exercise.
>>>>
>>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>>>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>>>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in
>>>> this form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some
>> songs.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>>>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>>>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor
>>>> back in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>>>> challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>>>> improvisation will work to some extent.
>>>>
>>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>>>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>>>> forward to hearing from you.
>>>>
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anita
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:11:16 -0400
> From: Anita Ogletree <anitaogletree1963 at live.com>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID: <BLU170-DS41453B3BF506A2A27247C4DA850 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Hey Ashely.  I never got the chance to take the class because the 
> instructor
>
> could never fit in any time to work with me one-on-one.  She just tried to
> show me some moves whenever I was at her shop.  I realized that I wouldn't
> feel comfortable in a class with other people because I couldn't keep up
> with what was going on.
>
> Once I tried to learn to swim in a class that was offered for six weeks 
> and
> I also tried doing the exercises they did in another.  The person who had
> told me about the classes and drove me there and back laughed at me when 
> she
>
> was talking to another church member about how I looked trying to do the
> exercises.  That wasn't a good feeling.  So I just won't put myself out
> there to be insulted like that.  That destroys my confidence.  I guess you
> could say I am a little insecure when it comes to being made fun of.  It's
> something I have experienced from child hood to now.
>
> I will get the website address and email it to you.  There are some links
> that want you to sign up as a member but I skipped over that and searched
> for those that could be played on Youtube.
>
> Anita
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:25 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Anita,
>> sure I'll take the info. I share your concerns about being in a group and
>> having sighted people think you're weird since you may not do what 
>> they're
>
>> doing.
>> Perhaps a fitness instructor could give you private lessons. I think
>> exercise will go a long ways in helping prevent or control some of those
>> family problems such as blood pressure and blood sugar.
>>
>> How long did you take zumba before and did the instructor help you
>> individually?
>>
>> I'm real surprised a wheel chair bound person taught blind people zumba 
>> as
>
>> she could not demonstrate it with the feet; well, maybe she got creative
>> somehow.
>>
>> Glad you liked zumba and keep up with it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:05 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink
>> Ashley,
>> I have actually found something I tried yesterday at home.
>>
>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair and
>> said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She told them
>> to
>> let the music help them by moving to what they felt from listening.  Then
>> she incorporated the different arm and leg movements into that.
>>
>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I can
>> share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.  I had
>> learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in Birmingham.
>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>
>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try it
>> again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other forms 
>> of
>> exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I didn't have
>> the
>> fun I did yesterday.
>>
>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she lost
>> weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she was 
>> heavier
>> and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went from a size 14 to 
>> a
>> size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said that she didn't want to
>> lose anymore but since she was teaching it several times a week, I think
>> she
>> was going to lose a few more.  I haven't spoken with her since last year,
>> but I think I am going to give her a call and see if she is still doing
>> it.
>>
>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see how I
>> feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active as I
>> would
>> like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end up regretting
>> it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness I knew I would
>> have
>> and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my abdominal muscles but I
>> am
>> determined to get healithier and possibly stop taking medication for my
>> blood pressure.  It may even help with my sleeping issues for which I 
>> take
>> medication as well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all 
>> of
>> those illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to 
>> have
>> that happen to me.  Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I 
>> want
>> to feel much better about myself.
>>
>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell you
>> how
>> it is going.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Anita,
>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced class;
>>> looks fun though.
>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools and
>>> community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind 
>>> friendly
>
>>> workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try youtube for such
>>> a zumba demonstration.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while 
>>> since
>
>>> I have posted to the list.
>>>
>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.  On
>>> May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness centers
>>> that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the way of
>>> exercise.
>>>
>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in this
>>> form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some 
>>> songs.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor back 
>>> in
>
>>> Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically challenged 
>>> and
>
>>> that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my improvisation will
>>> work to some extent.
>>>
>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may be
>>> into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look forward 
>>> to
>
>>> hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Anita
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:03:00 -0400
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID: <005e01cda16f$cd0ee680$672cb380$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good morning Anita,
> I would be happy to do whatever I can to direct and help you.  I have been 
> a
> personal trainer since before they even coined the phrase.  I realize Fl. 
> to
> Va. prohibits face to face one on one work but I am sure I can be of some
> help.  If you would like to talk off the group contact me directly at
> williamkociaba at comcast.net
>
> Just saw your other email.  I think we all have been laughed at by someone
> in our lives and it really does hurt.  When its strangers laughing at the
> fat kid or the blind kid or whatever that hurts but you can say&*(^ em and
> go on  but when its a supposed friend as you mentioned that really is
> painful and someone from your church?  A "good Christianwoman" then its
> unforgivable.
> Have a fantastic day and don't let anyone's negative energy slow you down.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
> Hi Bill.
>
> Thank you for the suggestions.  And I agree that it is sometimes very
> challenging whenever dealing with high-priced gyms.  I can't even begin to
> think about getting a personal trainer.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Anita
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Hi Anita,
>> The important thing is that you are creating something  that seems to
>> be working for you and that you are having fun doing.  House work is
>> not effective exercise.  It can be hard work but you really want to
>> exercise for the sake of exercising. In other words a focused effort
>> purley to make you healthier or stronger or leaner(whatever your goals
>> are) If you are having fun, you are sweating and your heart rate is
>> up, you are on the right track.
>> Finding a decent instructor is not always an easy thing.  In my
>> experience a
>> lot of them tend to be flakes.   I know that is going to piss someone off
>> but its true.  I owned a gym for years and delt with many insturctors
>> on a professional level and it wasn't always easy.  As far as it being
>> cost prohibative goes, you might find someone who teaches at a
>> comunity center, a JCC  or in a hospital wellness center who might be
>> more willing to work with you at a very reasonable price as these
>> facilitys tend to pay less than the big commercial health clubs so
>> that instructor might be more flexable.
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:40 PM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net> Hi Bill.
>>
>> I agree with you that doing a class one-on-one, when it's affordable,
>> is a very good way to learn the moves.  I had actually tried to get
>> the one from AL to set up some time for us to do that but she never
>> got around to it.
>> When my money is right, I will seek out a good instructor and at least
>> get down some of the basic moves.  for now, I am enjoying what I have
>> done for the last two days.  That's probably not what a lot of folks
>> want to do, but I believe it is working for me.
>>
>> Prior to yesterday, I wasn't getting much in the way of physical 
>> activity.
>> There's only so much housework to be done and I didn't feel motivated
>> enoug just to do some of the simple exercises like jumpin jacks, etc.
>> So this has been good for me.
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:56 AM
>> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>> I really don't think you need to worry about being in class and the
>>> others laughing at you becuase you have the moves wrong.  I have
>>> observed tons of aerobic classes, step classes, tybo classes etc and
>>> most of the time there are more people doing the moves wrong than
>>> right.  If the moves are complicated the only doing them right is
>>> usually the teacher.  And in my opinion when a teacher makes the
>>> moves to complicated she is an egotist and is more about showing off
>>> than really helping the class.
>>> The best way to learn the moves is to do a one on one with the
>>> instructor.
>>> I know some of you will say you can't aford a private session but its
>>> really the only way to know what that instructor is doing.  The bonus
>>> is that the instructor will be awaire of you in class and might keep
>>> a closer eye in your direction.  You may find that if you contact the
>>> instructor and explain your situation that he or she might be willing
>>> to help you with no extra charge.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:06 AM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have
>>> actually found something I tried yesterday at home.
>>>
>>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair
>>> and said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She
>>> told them to let the music help them by moving to what they felt from
>>> listening.  Then she incorporated the different arm and leg movements
>>> into that.
>>>
>>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I
>>> can share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.
>>> I had learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in
>> Birmingham.
>>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>>
>>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try
>>> it again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other
>>> forms of exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I
>>> didn't have the fun I did yesterday.
>>>
>>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she
>>> lost weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she
>>> was heavier and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went
>>> from a size 14 to a size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said
>>> that she didn't want to lose anymore but since she was teaching it
>>> several times a week, I think she was going to lose a few more.  I
>>> haven't spoken with her since last year, but I think I am going to
>>> give her a call and see if she is still doing it.
>>>
>>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see
>>> how I feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically
>>> active as I would like to have been for a while and I didn't .net
>>> want to end up regretting it.  I took some advil to help with the
>>> muscle soreness I knew I would have and that pretty much did the job.
>>> I can feel my abdominal muscles but I am determined to get healithier
>>> and possibly stop taking medication for my blood pressure.  It may
>>> even help with my sleeping issues for which I take medication as
>>> well.  My family's medical history is chalked full of all of those
>>> illnesses of the heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have 
>>> that
> happen to me.
>>> Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want to feel much
>>> better about myself.
>>>
>>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell
>>> you how it is going.
>>>
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>> Anita
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>>> Anita,
>>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I
>>>> enjoy exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>>>> class; looks fun though.
>>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>>>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>>>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>>>> youtube for such  a zumba demonstration.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>>>> since I have posted to the list.
>>>>
>>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>>>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness
>>>> centers that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the
>>>> way of
>>> exercise.
>>>>
>>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out
>>>> during Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or
>>>> videos available to to individuals that are blind that are
>>>> interested in this form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was
>>>> able to find some
>> songs.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on
>>>> the moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of
>>>> the music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba
>>>> instructor back in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am
>>>> rhythmically challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however,
>>>> I think my improvisation will work to some extent.
>>>>
>>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>>>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>>>> forward to hearing from you.
>>>>
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anita
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:46:16 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
> Message-ID:
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> That is rude. I hope you took that person to task for laughing at you 
> about
> the swimming.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Anita Ogletree
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:11 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
> Hey Ashely.  I never got the chance to take the class because the 
> instructor
> could never fit in any time to work with me one-on-one.  She just tried to
> show me some moves whenever I was at her shop.  I realized that I wouldn't
> feel comfortable in a class with other people because I couldn't keep up
> with what was going on.
>
> Once I tried to learn to swim in a class that was offered for six weeks 
> and
> I also tried doing the exercises they did in another.  The person who had
> told me about the classes and drove me there and back laughed at me when 
> she
> was talking to another church member about how I looked trying to do the
> exercises.  That wasn't a good feeling.  So I just won't put myself out
> there to be insulted like that.  That destroys my confidence.  I guess you
> could say I am a little insecure when it comes to being made fun of.  It's
> something I have experienced from child hood to now.
>
> I will get the website address and email it to you.  There are some links
> that want you to sign up as a member but I skipped over that and searched
> for those that could be played on Youtube.
>
> Anita
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:25 PM
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>
>> Anita,
>> sure I'll take the info. I share your concerns about being in a group
>> and having sighted people think you're weird since you may not do what
>> they're doing.
>> Perhaps a fitness instructor could give you private lessons. I think
>> exercise will go a long ways in helping prevent or control some of
>> those family problems such as blood pressure and blood sugar.
>>
>> How long did you take zumba before and did the instructor help you
>> individually?
>>
>> I'm real surprised a wheel chair bound person taught blind people
>> zumba as she could not demonstrate it with the feet; well, maybe she
>> got creative somehow.
>>
>> Glad you liked zumba and keep up with it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anita Ogletree
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:05 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink Ashley, I have actually
>> found something I tried yesterday at home.
>>
>> I did a google search and found an individual who is in a wheelchair
>> and said that she taught some blind students how to do Zumba.  She
>> told them to let the music help them by moving to what they felt from
>> listening.  Then she incorporated the different arm and leg movements
>> into that.
>>
>> What I did was to search for Latin music and I found a website that I
>> can share with you if you'd like and I did the movements with my hips.
>> I had learned a little of that from my previous hairstylist back in
> Birmingham.
>> Only thing is, I'd rather do it where I can mess up and not feel that
>> sighted people are watching me or laughing at me because I look weird.
>>
>> But I worked up a good sweat and enjoyed it so much I am going to try
>> it again today.  I have started and stopped so many times with other
>> forms of exercise.  Even when I had a portable treadmill back in AL I
>> didn't have the fun I did yesterday.
>>
>> When the hairstylist was doing it and then became an instructor, she
>> lost weight and sold some of her clothes that she had worn when she
>> was heavier and still needed some to be altered.  I think she went
>> from a size 14 to a size 10 within a six-month period.  She had said
>> that she didn't want to lose anymore but since she was teaching it
>> several times a week, I think she was going to lose a few more.  I
>> haven't spoken with her since last year, but I think I am going to
>> give her a call and see if she is still doing it.
>>
>> But I am going to spend atleast 45 minutes to an hour today and see
>> how I feel.  I took it easy because I havent been as physically active
>> as I would like to have been for a while and I didn't .net want to end
>> up regretting it.  I took some advil to help with the muscle soreness
>> I knew I would have and that pretty much did the job.  I can feel my
>> abdominal muscles but I am determined to get healithier and possibly
>> stop taking medication for my blood pressure.  It may even help with
>> my sleeping issues for which I take medication as well.  My family's
>> medical history is chalked full of all of those illnesses of the
>> heart, kidneys and blood sugar.  Not trying to have that happen to me.
>> Before I reach my next birthday (I will be 50), I want to feel much
>> better about myself.
>>
>> So I will send you the information if you would like and I will tell
>> you how it is going.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Anita
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:47 PM
>> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>
>>> Anita,
>>> welcome. I am a part time student while looking for work  and I enjoy
>>> exercise. I mainly walk and jog.
>>> I wish I could try zumba, but not sure how I'd do the fast paced
>>> class; looks fun though.
>>> I think you'll find a gym or zumba class in your area. Some schools
>>> and community centers offer it; its popular. I wish there were blind
>>> friendly workout cds, but haven't found them yet. You might try
>>> youtube for such a zumba demonstration.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anita Ogletree
>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:19 AM
>>> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say hello, again to the list.  It has been a while
>>> since I have posted to the list.
>>>
>>> My name is Anita and the last time I posted I was living in Alabama.
>>> On May 4, 2011, I moved to Virginia and have been here since.
>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the fitness
>>> centers that I was a member of and I have not had very much in the
>>> way of exercise.
>>>
>>> This morning I went searching for music played for working out during
>>> Zumba. I also did a search to see if there were any sites or videos
>>> available to to individuals that are blind that are interested in
>>> this form of fitness. Have not found it yet but I was able to find some
> songs.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list know someone who can give instructions on the
>>> moves used in Zumba or any videos or cd's?  When I found some of the
>>> music I just decided to swivel my hips the way a Zumba instructor
>>> back in Alabama attempted to show me.  Of course I am rhythmically
>>> challenged and that is always a hurdle for me; however, I think my
>>> improvisation will work to some extent.
>>>
>>> I would love to hear from anyone who has ever tried Zumba or who may
>>> be into this fitness routine and can give me some pointers.  Look
>>> forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Anita
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:47:36 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their any
> hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as good 
> staffs
> for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal cain won't 
> work.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:05:20 -0400
> From: JUSTIN LOUCHART <jalouchart at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> Hi,
>
> I'm an avid hiker in almost all terrain. I use my cane in my right
> hand and a titanium trekking pole in my left, sweeping with one and
> stabbing with the other.
>
> Justin Louchart
>
> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their any
>> hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as good
>> staffs
>> for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal cain won't
> work.
>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> Justin Louchart
> JALOUCHART at GMAIL.COM
>
> Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:01:02 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> Which one do you sweep with? And where do I get a titanium pole.  What is
> the length on both?  I found that lemgth really helped?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> JUSTIN LOUCHART
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm an avid hiker in almost all terrain. I use my cane in my right hand 
> and
> a titanium trekking pole in my left, sweeping with one and stabbing with 
> the
> other.
>
> Justin Louchart
>
> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their
>> any hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as
>> good staffs for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal
>> cain won't work.
>>
>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:25:50 -0400
> From: JUSTIN LOUCHART <jalouchart at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> I use a variety depending upon what country I'm in, etc. I think our
> standard poles are Leki.
>
> I usually sweep with my cane, exceptions are when dealing with
> extremely fragile ground or when needing to test rock faces.
>
> Mine are both telescopically extendable, my cane comes up to 59 inches
> on my 64 inch frame, and my trekking pole comes up to something like
> 57 inches.
>
> Justin
>
> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Which one do you sweep with? And where do I get a titanium pole.  What is
>> the length on both?  I found that lemgth really helped?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> JUSTIN LOUCHART
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:05 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm an avid hiker in almost all terrain. I use my cane in my right hand
> and
>> a titanium trekking pole in my left, sweeping with one and stabbing with
>> the
>> other.
>>
>> Justin Louchart
>>
>> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their
>>> any hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as
>>> good staffs for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal
>>> cain won't work.
>>>
>>>
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>> --
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>> JALOUCHART at GMAIL.COM
>>
>> Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:26:28 -0400
> From: "Jody Ianuzzi" <jody at thewhitehats.com>
> To: "'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'"
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hello!
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> I agree, that was rude and I would have said something too.  And she calls
> herself a Christian?
>
> JODY
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:13:50 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> I need to talk to you.  Can I call you off list?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> JUSTIN LOUCHART
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:26 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> I use a variety depending upon what country I'm in, etc. I think our
> standard poles are Leki.
>
> I usually sweep with my cane, exceptions are when dealing with extremely
> fragile ground or when needing to test rock faces.
>
> Mine are both telescopically extendable, my cane comes up to 59 inches on 
> my
> 64 inch frame, and my trekking pole comes up to something like
> 57 inches.
>
> Justin
>
> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Which one do you sweep with? And where do I get a titanium pole.  What
>> is the length on both?  I found that lemgth really helped?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of JUSTIN LOUCHART
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:05 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm an avid hiker in almost all terrain. I use my cane in my right
>> hand and a titanium trekking pole in my left, sweeping with one and
>> stabbing with the other.
>>
>> Justin Louchart
>>
>> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their
>>> any hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as
>>> good staffs for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A
>>> normal cain won't work.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Justin Louchart
>> JALOUCHART at GMAIL.COM
>>
>> Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:14:07 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> I mean call you?  Not call you off list? Lol.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> JUSTIN LOUCHART
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:26 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> I use a variety depending upon what country I'm in, etc. I think our
> standard poles are Leki.
>
> I usually sweep with my cane, exceptions are when dealing with extremely
> fragile ground or when needing to test rock faces.
>
> Mine are both telescopically extendable, my cane comes up to 59 inches on 
> my
> 64 inch frame, and my trekking pole comes up to something like
> 57 inches.
>
> Justin
>
> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Which one do you sweep with? And where do I get a titanium pole.  What
>> is the length on both?  I found that lemgth really helped?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of JUSTIN LOUCHART
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:05 AM
>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm an avid hiker in almost all terrain. I use my cane in my right
>> hand and a titanium trekking pole in my left, sweeping with one and
>> stabbing with the other.
>>
>> Justin Louchart
>>
>> On 10/3/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their
>>> any hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as
>>> good staffs for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A
>>> normal cain won't work.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Justin Louchart
>> JALOUCHART at GMAIL.COM
>>
>> Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:34:18 -0600
> From: "Matt Simpson" <msimpson at usaba.org>
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> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> Hi Justin,
>
> I recently began hiking a bit more myself after not having been in a few
> years. I bought a couple of trekking poles from R.E.I. They are aluminum
> adjustable poles that can take your bodyweight. I was at first skeptical 
> of
> needing two poles as I previously only used one. However, I found that for
> rougher hikes, especially going down hill, having two poles was 
> invaluable.
> You can use one to feel obstacles or drop-offs and put your weight on both
> while dropping down ledges or larger drop-offs. They were on the pricier
> side, $60 and up for a set, but I have found it well worth the price so 
> far.
>
> Matt
>
> Matt Simpson
> Membership and Outreach Coordinator
> United States Association of Blind Athletes
> 1 Olympic Plaza
> Colorado Springs, CO 80909
> 719-866-3019 (Direct)
> 719-866-3400(Fax)
> www.usaba.org
> Facebook? Twitter
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Justin.Williams2
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their any
> hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as good 
> staffs
> for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal cain won't 
> work.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Scott <kmssanderson at aol.com>
> To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
> Message-ID: <8CF6F952466142D-A94-7C72A at webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Hey Everyone
>
>
> I hike/hunt a ton and I tried the hiking poles but never had much luck 
> with
> them withstanding heavy use. This will sound funny but I went to home 
> depot
> and bought a fiberglass extendable paint roller handle. Yep, that's my
> outdoor hiking cane. I believe it's like 1 1/2" diameter and extends out
> maybe 8 feet. I have used this for 5 years now and never had any problems
> with it breaking and they can withstand tons of pressure.
>
>
> When handle is retracted it's maybe 4 feet long and depending on terrian I
> can slide out more if needed like going down steep stuff.
>
>
> Looks like a redneck thing but it works.
>
>
> -Scott
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Matt Simpson <msimpson at usaba.org>
> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:34 am
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> I recently began hiking a bit more myself after not having been in a few
> years. I bought a couple of trekking poles from R.E.I. They are aluminum
> adjustable poles that can take your bodyweight. I was at first skeptical 
> of
> needing two poles as I previously only used one. However, I found that for
> rougher hikes, especially going down hill, having two poles was 
> invaluable.
> You can use one to feel obstacles or drop-offs and put your weight on both
> while dropping down ledges or larger drop-offs. They were on the pricier
> side, $60 and up for a set, but I have found it well worth the price so 
> far.
>
> Matt
>
> Matt Simpson
> Membership and Outreach Coordinator
> United States Association of Blind Athletes
> 1 Olympic Plaza
> Colorado Springs, CO 80909
> 719-866-3019 (Direct)
> 719-866-3400(Fax)
> www.usaba.org
> Facebook  Twitter
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Justin.Williams2
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their any
> hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as good 
> staffs
> for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal cain won't 
> work.
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:59:23 -0400
> From: "Justin.Williams2" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
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> I had a long wooden stick, and that combined with lunca martial art foot
> work did preety well, but I will definitely want a better pole, no 
> question.
> I am a little leiry about having both h ands full.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Matt Simpson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:34 AM
> To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> I recently began hiking a bit more myself after not having been in a few
> years. I bought a couple of trekking poles from R.E.I. They are aluminum
> adjustable poles that can take your bodyweight. I was at first skeptical 
> of
> needing two poles as I previously only used one. However, I found that for
> rougher hikes, especially going down hill, having two poles was 
> invaluable.
> You can use one to feel obstacles or drop-offs and put your weight on both
> while dropping down ledges or larger drop-offs. They were on the pricier
> side, $60 and up for a set, but I have found it well worth the price so 
> far.
>
> Matt
>
> Matt Simpson
> Membership and Outreach Coordinator
> United States Association of Blind Athletes
> 1 Olympic Plaza
> Colorado Springs, CO 80909
> 719-866-3019 (Direct)
> 719-866-3400(Fax)
> www.usaba.org
> Facebook? Twitter
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Justin.Williams2
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] hiking
>
> So, I hiked an eight and a half mile hike last Saturday.  Are their any
> hikers on this list?  Are their any tips you can give me such as good 
> staffs
> for hiking?  The long stick I had really helped.  A normal cain won't 
> work.
>
>
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