[Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.

Shawn Abraham shawnabraham21 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 24 21:16:19 UTC 2015


Erik Weihenmayer, the blind man that climbed Everist wrote an 
autobiography called Touch The Top of the World.  You can get it 
on Bookshare.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion 
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Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:43:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails 
in nature.

Hi Guys!
I done the sited guide line in the city and it works very well.  
I don't know how to get arround taking the responsability of 
safety off the sited person when the ttrail includes a rocky drop 
off, roots, hills with anything from rocks to branches that could 
all cause major injury plus the risk of the domino effect where 
one goes down,  every one  goes down.  I don't know how how a 
blind man climbed Mount Everest.  I'd like a few ideas from that 
experience because if one can climb Mount Everest, then they can 
understand a risky trail with less risk than Mount Everest but 
still has a high risk even for a sited traveler.  I like the ski 
pole idea! I also like the small group  idea since it worked well 
on Saturday.  I am not the one who is making my boyfriend feeling 
responsable.  He is doing that one himself.  I don't know how to 
get arround that one without simply not going which isn't an 
option if we all want to enjoy hot springs.  I don't mind him 
telling us what's coming because a fall off a cliff would kill 
the hike in two seconds.  I just want to make it better for him 
while still doing the hike even if I can only make it a bit 
easier for the other hikers so that he has a bit less to deal 
with during the hike.
Kendra


"When the student is ready,
 the  teacher will appear"
 Author unknown
 Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out 
there and so is my job of discovering where they are.
  Blindness has often tested me.

 Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
 Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
 Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around 
me.
 As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs 
not only ring true, but also proven to be true by others.

 I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I 
want.


I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of 
magic.
Blessed Be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
 A blind Pagan federationist,
The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,

Live the Life We Want


Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of 
Oz universes.  I love anything to do with bald eagles.
 Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
Go Detroit Red Wings!
Go Baltimore Ravens!
Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
Go Oregon State Beavers!
Go Portland Winter Hawks!

  I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, 
Oregon.
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 On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Arielle Silverman via Sportsandrec 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Kendra.  I have been with my sighted husband for six years, 
and we
 often hang out with my blind friends together, though we have 
not gone
 hiking yet with them.  I think that even the best sighted guys 
will
 take a while to get used to being around a lot of blind people.
 Unfortunately, sighted people grow up immersed in the larger 
society's
 cultural beliefs about blindness and even when they 
intellectually
 understand what we can do, they might not emotionally feel 
comfortable
 with blind people traveling safely at first.  I do think it gets 
better
 with time.  If he feels stressed about the hiking, perhaps you 
could
 spend some timejust hanging out together with your blind friends 
in a
 quiet setting where he can just talk to them and get to know 
them as
 an equal.  I also think that even when sighted guys understand 
that
 they aren't responsible for us, they usually have access to some
 privileged information.  The lone sighted person in a group may 
feel
 obligated to pass this privileged information along (such as
 information about directions, alerts about upcoming obstacles, 
or
 information about scenery)and this can become a kind of
 responsibility.  One thing you might consider is having the 
blind
 people pair up and walk holding arms or linking elbows so the 
sighted
 person only needs to give verbal directions to one person in 
each
 pair.  Sighted people often like to watch those who are 
following to
 make sure they are keeping up, so it's easier if he only needs 
to look
 back at the person right behind him.  If you are comfortable 
using
 sighted guide with your boyfriend you could hold his arm and 
then
 relay information about turns, etc.  to the others who are 
walking
 behind you.  Best of luck!
 Arielle

 On 8/23/15, Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec 
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi all!
 That makes sense.  In this case, it's as I alluted to earlier, 
responsable in
 nature because of the hazards.  I was looking for alternitive 
techniques
 and/or where you can get good ski poles.  By the way, that's a 
good idea!
 I'll have to check out that one website.  I like to see what it 
says.
 Kendra
 "When the student is ready,
 the  teacher will appear"
 Author unknown
 Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out 
there and so is
 my job of discovering where they are.
  Blindness has often tested me.

 Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
 Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
 Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
 Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around 
me.
 As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs 
not only
 ring true, but also proven to be true by others.

 I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I 
want.


 I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of 
magic.
 Blessed Be!!!
 Kendra Schaber,
 A blind Pagan federationist,
 The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
 Capitol Chapter,

 Live the Life We Want


 Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of 
Oz
 universes.  I love anything to do with bald eagles.
 Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
 Go Detroit Red Wings!
 Go Baltimore Ravens!
 Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
 Go Oregon State Beavers!
 Go Portland Winter Hawks!

  I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, 
Oregon.
 This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from 
Kendra's
 Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on 
Kendra's
 iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.

 On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Thornbury via Sportsandrec
 <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 You know what's funny...  If I organize a group outing on the 
trails I feel
 ultimately responsible for everyone's safety, even the sighted 
folks.

 I don't see in itself an issue in the ownership of 
responsibility, I guess
 to me it depends on how it's presented.  If it's babying or 
patronizing I
 have a problem, but if it's pointing out true hazards, 
interesting
 scenery, or something like inclement weather I'm pretty okay 
with it.  I
 would like to think my skills off the beaten path are adequate, 
but I also
 wouldn't want to miss a one foot wide bridge over a twenty foot 
dropoff...
 Trust me that sucks the fun out of a hike.

 Kel

 On Nov 16, 2002, at 9:40 PM, Joe Shaw via Sportsandrec wrote:

 Am I allowed to question his belief in the abilities of blind 
people
 while carrying the weight of being responsible for us? I know...  
that's
 not popular.
 Joe Shaw
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Schafer via 
Sportsandrec"
 <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
 To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
 Cc: "Kendra Schafer" <redwing731 at gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:59 PM
 Subject: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in 
nature.


 Hi all!
 Yesterday, I walked to a local but out of the way historical hot 
spring.
 I had my sited boyfriend, and two blind ladies with me.  To get 
to this
 hot spring, you have to walk a half a mile on a trail with a few 
rugged
 spots and a lot of tree roots.  This was my boyfriend's first 
time
 getting a group of blind people down this kind of trail.  The 
trip
 actually went very well.  We all felt good to do the trip 
because the
 other ladies haven't traveled in nature in three years.  My 
boyfriend on
 the other hand didn't get to enjoy the journey as much as the 
rest of us
 so I feel bad for him.  My boyfriend believes that blind people 
can do
 anything we set our minds to,  however, he still feels 
responsable for
 any blind person's safety, well being and transportation.   How 
can I
 make the trip more enjoyable for my sited boyfriend who felt the 
burden
 of responsibility? I suggested finding another volunteer to 
assist in
 navigating the trails.  I know that there is a Better way since 
I did
 this sort of thing with other groups in the past.  Would 
something like
 this require another sited volunteer? Him taking  the 
responsability and
 doing this sort of thing once or twice a year? Are there 
techniques out
 there for this sort of thing?  Is there a way for me to help one 
of them
 navagate the tree roots and follow behind while doing so and 
letting my
 boyfriend helping all of us through the roughest parts of the 
trail? Any
 ideas would be most appriciated Please!!! Thank you!!!
 Kendra


 "When the student is ready,
 the  teacher will appear"
 Author unknown
 Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out 
there and so
 is my job of discovering where they are.
 Blindness has often tested me.

 Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
 Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
 Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
 Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around 
me.
 As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs 
not only
 ring true, but also proven to be true by others.

 I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I 
want.


 I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of 
magic.
 Blessed Be!!!
 Kendra Schaber,
 A blind Pagan federationist,
 The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
 Capitol Chapter,

 Live the Life We Want


 Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of 
Oz
 universes.  I love anything to do with bald eagles.
 Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
 Go Detroit Red Wings!
 Go Baltimore Ravens!
 Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
 Go Oregon State Beavers!
 Go Portland Winter Hawks!

 I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, 
Oregon.
 This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from 
Kendra's
 Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on 
Kendra's
 iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
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