[Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
Shawn Abraham
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Mon Aug 24 21:16:19 UTC 2015
Erik Weihenmayer, the blind man that climbed Everist wrote an
autobiography called Touch The Top of the World. You can get it
on Bookshare.
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From: Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
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Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:43:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails
in nature.
Hi Guys!
I done the sited guide line in the city and it works very well.
I don't know how to get arround taking the responsability of
safety off the sited person when the ttrail includes a rocky drop
off, roots, hills with anything from rocks to branches that could
all cause major injury plus the risk of the domino effect where
one goes down, every one goes down. I don't know how how a
blind man climbed Mount Everest. I'd like a few ideas from that
experience because if one can climb Mount Everest, then they can
understand a risky trail with less risk than Mount Everest but
still has a high risk even for a sited traveler. I like the ski
pole idea! I also like the small group idea since it worked well
on Saturday. I am not the one who is making my boyfriend feeling
responsable. He is doing that one himself. I don't know how to
get arround that one without simply not going which isn't an
option if we all want to enjoy hot springs. I don't mind him
telling us what's coming because a fall off a cliff would kill
the hike in two seconds. I just want to make it better for him
while still doing the hike even if I can only make it a bit
easier for the other hikers so that he has a bit less to deal
with during the hike.
Kendra
"When the student is ready,
the teacher will appear"
Author unknown
Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out
there and so is my job of discovering where they are.
Blindness has often tested me.
Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around
me.
As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs
not only ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I
want.
I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of
magic.
Blessed Be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
A blind Pagan federationist,
The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Live the Life We Want
Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of
Oz universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
Go Detroit Red Wings!
Go Baltimore Ravens!
Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
Go Oregon State Beavers!
Go Portland Winter Hawks!
I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend In Salem,
Oregon.
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On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Arielle Silverman via Sportsandrec
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hi Kendra. I have been with my sighted husband for six years,
and we
often hang out with my blind friends together, though we have
not gone
hiking yet with them. I think that even the best sighted guys
will
take a while to get used to being around a lot of blind people.
Unfortunately, sighted people grow up immersed in the larger
society's
cultural beliefs about blindness and even when they
intellectually
understand what we can do, they might not emotionally feel
comfortable
with blind people traveling safely at first. I do think it gets
better
with time. If he feels stressed about the hiking, perhaps you
could
spend some timejust hanging out together with your blind friends
in a
quiet setting where he can just talk to them and get to know
them as
an equal. I also think that even when sighted guys understand
that
they aren't responsible for us, they usually have access to some
privileged information. The lone sighted person in a group may
feel
obligated to pass this privileged information along (such as
information about directions, alerts about upcoming obstacles,
or
information about scenery)and this can become a kind of
responsibility. One thing you might consider is having the
blind
people pair up and walk holding arms or linking elbows so the
sighted
person only needs to give verbal directions to one person in
each
pair. Sighted people often like to watch those who are
following to
make sure they are keeping up, so it's easier if he only needs
to look
back at the person right behind him. If you are comfortable
using
sighted guide with your boyfriend you could hold his arm and
then
relay information about turns, etc. to the others who are
walking
behind you. Best of luck!
Arielle
On 8/23/15, Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hi all!
That makes sense. In this case, it's as I alluted to earlier,
responsable in
nature because of the hazards. I was looking for alternitive
techniques
and/or where you can get good ski poles. By the way, that's a
good idea!
I'll have to check out that one website. I like to see what it
says.
Kendra
"When the student is ready,
the teacher will appear"
Author unknown
Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out
there and so is
my job of discovering where they are.
Blindness has often tested me.
Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around
me.
As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs
not only
ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I
want.
I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of
magic.
Blessed Be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
A blind Pagan federationist,
The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Live the Life We Want
Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of
Oz
universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
Go Detroit Red Wings!
Go Baltimore Ravens!
Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
Go Oregon State Beavers!
Go Portland Winter Hawks!
I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend In Salem,
Oregon.
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On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Thornbury via Sportsandrec
<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
You know what's funny... If I organize a group outing on the
trails I feel
ultimately responsible for everyone's safety, even the sighted
folks.
I don't see in itself an issue in the ownership of
responsibility, I guess
to me it depends on how it's presented. If it's babying or
patronizing I
have a problem, but if it's pointing out true hazards,
interesting
scenery, or something like inclement weather I'm pretty okay
with it. I
would like to think my skills off the beaten path are adequate,
but I also
wouldn't want to miss a one foot wide bridge over a twenty foot
dropoff...
Trust me that sucks the fun out of a hike.
Kel
On Nov 16, 2002, at 9:40 PM, Joe Shaw via Sportsandrec wrote:
Am I allowed to question his belief in the abilities of blind
people
while carrying the weight of being responsible for us? I know...
that's
not popular.
Joe Shaw
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Cc: "Kendra Schafer" <redwing731 at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in
nature.
Hi all!
Yesterday, I walked to a local but out of the way historical hot
spring.
I had my sited boyfriend, and two blind ladies with me. To get
to this
hot spring, you have to walk a half a mile on a trail with a few
rugged
spots and a lot of tree roots. This was my boyfriend's first
time
getting a group of blind people down this kind of trail. The
trip
actually went very well. We all felt good to do the trip
because the
other ladies haven't traveled in nature in three years. My
boyfriend on
the other hand didn't get to enjoy the journey as much as the
rest of us
so I feel bad for him. My boyfriend believes that blind people
can do
anything we set our minds to, however, he still feels
responsable for
any blind person's safety, well being and transportation. How
can I
make the trip more enjoyable for my sited boyfriend who felt the
burden
of responsibility? I suggested finding another volunteer to
assist in
navigating the trails. I know that there is a Better way since
I did
this sort of thing with other groups in the past. Would
something like
this require another sited volunteer? Him taking the
responsability and
doing this sort of thing once or twice a year? Are there
techniques out
there for this sort of thing? Is there a way for me to help one
of them
navagate the tree roots and follow behind while doing so and
letting my
boyfriend helping all of us through the roughest parts of the
trail? Any
ideas would be most appriciated Please!!! Thank you!!!
Kendra
"When the student is ready,
the teacher will appear"
Author unknown
Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out
there and so
is my job of discovering where they are.
Blindness has often tested me.
Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around
me.
As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs
not only
ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I
want.
I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of
magic.
Blessed Be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
A blind Pagan federationist,
The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Live the Life We Want
Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of
Oz
universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
Go Detroit Red Wings!
Go Baltimore Ravens!
Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
Go Oregon State Beavers!
Go Portland Winter Hawks!
I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend In Salem,
Oregon.
This E Mail Was Sent right to your E Mail inbox from
Kendra's
Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on
Kendra's
iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
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