[Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.

Mon Aug 24 22:29:10 UTC 2015

    I recently read a book on BARD about a blind hiker who hiked the 
Appalachian Trail.  He used GPS and Trecker poles for stabilization.  The 
book was The Unseen Trail by Michael O Hanson.  Pretty impressive.

Michael

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From: Jody Ianuzzi via Sportsandrec
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.

Eric Y and Meyers book touch the top of the world is also available on BART.

JODY 🐺
thunderwalker321 at gmail.com

"There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." 
DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Abraham via Sportsandrec 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Erik Weihenmayer, the blind man that climbed Everist wrote an 
> autobiography called Touch The Top of the World.  You can get it on 
> Bookshare.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion 
> List<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:43:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
>
> Hi Guys!
> I done the sited guide line in the city and it works very well.  I don't 
> know how to get arround taking the responsability of safety off the sited 
> person when the ttrail includes a rocky drop off, roots, hills with 
> anything from rocks to branches that could all cause major injury plus the 
> risk of the domino effect where one goes down,  every one  goes down.  I 
> don't know how how a blind man climbed Mount Everest.  I'd like a few 
> ideas from that experience because if one can climb Mount Everest, then 
> they can understand a risky trail with less risk than Mount Everest but 
> still has a high risk even for a sited traveler.  I like the ski pole 
> idea! I also like the small group  idea since it worked well on Saturday. 
> I am not the one who is making my boyfriend feeling responsable.  He is 
> doing that one himself.  I don't know how to get arround that one without 
> simply not going which isn't an option if we all want to enjoy hot 
> springs.  I don't mind him telling us what's coming because a fall off a 
> cliff would kill the hike in two seconds.  I just want to make it better 
> for him while still doing the hike even if I can only make it a bit easier 
> for the other hikers so that he has a bit less to deal with during the 
> hike.
> Kendra
>
>
> "When the student is ready,
> the  teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and so 
> is my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only 
> ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of Oz 
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> Go Oregon State Beavers!
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>
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Arielle Silverman via Sportsandrec 
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Kendra.  I have been with my sighted husband for six years, and we
> often hang out with my blind friends together, though we have not gone
> hiking yet with them.  I think that even the best sighted guys will
> take a while to get used to being around a lot of blind people.
> Unfortunately, sighted people grow up immersed in the larger society's
> cultural beliefs about blindness and even when they intellectually
> understand what we can do, they might not emotionally feel comfortable
> with blind people traveling safely at first.  I do think it gets better
> with time.  If he feels stressed about the hiking, perhaps you could
> spend some timejust hanging out together with your blind friends in a
> quiet setting where he can just talk to them and get to know them as
> an equal.  I also think that even when sighted guys understand that
> they aren't responsible for us, they usually have access to some
> privileged information.  The lone sighted person in a group may feel
> obligated to pass this privileged information along (such as
> information about directions, alerts about upcoming obstacles, or
> information about scenery)and this can become a kind of
> responsibility.  One thing you might consider is having the blind
> people pair up and walk holding arms or linking elbows so the sighted
> person only needs to give verbal directions to one person in each
> pair.  Sighted people often like to watch those who are following to
> make sure they are keeping up, so it's easier if he only needs to look
> back at the person right behind him.  If you are comfortable using
> sighted guide with your boyfriend you could hold his arm and then
> relay information about turns, etc.  to the others who are walking
> behind you.  Best of luck!
> Arielle
>
> On 8/23/15, Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
> Hi all!
> That makes sense.  In this case, it's as I alluted to earlier, responsable 
> in
> nature because of the hazards.  I was looking for alternitive techniques
> and/or where you can get good ski poles.  By the way, that's a good idea!
> I'll have to check out that one website.  I like to see what it says.
> Kendra
> "When the student is ready,
> the  teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and so 
> is
> my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only
> ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of Oz
> universes.  I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> Go Baltimore Ravens!
> Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> Go Oregon State Beavers!
> Go Portland Winter Hawks!
>
> I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, Oregon.
> This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from Kendra's
> Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on Kendra's
> iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
>
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Thornbury via Sportsandrec
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You know what's funny...  If I organize a group outing on the trails I 
> feel
> ultimately responsible for everyone's safety, even the sighted folks.
>
> I don't see in itself an issue in the ownership of responsibility, I guess
> to me it depends on how it's presented.  If it's babying or patronizing I
> have a problem, but if it's pointing out true hazards, interesting
> scenery, or something like inclement weather I'm pretty okay with it.  I
> would like to think my skills off the beaten path are adequate, but I also
> wouldn't want to miss a one foot wide bridge over a twenty foot dropoff...
> Trust me that sucks the fun out of a hike.
>
> Kel
>
> On Nov 16, 2002, at 9:40 PM, Joe Shaw via Sportsandrec wrote:
>
> Am I allowed to question his belief in the abilities of blind people
> while carrying the weight of being responsible for us? I know...  that's
> not popular.
> Joe Shaw
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec"
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> Cc: "Kendra Schafer" <redwing731 at gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:59 PM
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
>
>
> Hi all!
> Yesterday, I walked to a local but out of the way historical hot spring.
> I had my sited boyfriend, and two blind ladies with me.  To get to this
> hot spring, you have to walk a half a mile on a trail with a few rugged
> spots and a lot of tree roots.  This was my boyfriend's first time
> getting a group of blind people down this kind of trail.  The trip
> actually went very well.  We all felt good to do the trip because the
> other ladies haven't traveled in nature in three years.  My boyfriend on
> the other hand didn't get to enjoy the journey as much as the rest of us
> so I feel bad for him.  My boyfriend believes that blind people can do
> anything we set our minds to,  however, he still feels responsable for
> any blind person's safety, well being and transportation.   How can I
> make the trip more enjoyable for my sited boyfriend who felt the burden
> of responsibility? I suggested finding another volunteer to assist in
> navigating the trails.  I know that there is a Better way since I did
> this sort of thing with other groups in the past.  Would something like
> this require another sited volunteer? Him taking  the responsability and
> doing this sort of thing once or twice a year? Are there techniques out
> there for this sort of thing?  Is there a way for me to help one of them
> navagate the tree roots and follow behind while doing so and letting my
> boyfriend helping all of us through the roughest parts of the trail? Any
> ideas would be most appriciated Please!!! Thank you!!!
> Kendra
>
>
> "When the student is ready,
> the  teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and so
> is my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only
> ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of Oz
> universes.  I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> Go Baltimore Ravens!
> Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> Go Oregon State Beavers!
> Go Portland Winter Hawks!
>
> I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, Oregon.
> This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from Kendra's
> Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on Kendra's
> iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
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