[Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
justin williams
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Mon Aug 24 23:32:18 UTC 2015
WHen I went hiking, I used a long staff found at the beginning of thr traille; it was an invaluable tool.
Justin.
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I recently read a book on BARD about a blind hiker who hiked the Appalachian Trail. He used GPS and Trecker poles for stabilization. The book was The Unseen Trail by Michael O Hanson. Pretty impressive.
Michael
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Eric Y and Meyers book touch the top of the world is also available on BART.
JODY 🐺
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"There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."
DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Abraham via Sportsandrec
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Erik Weihenmayer, the blind man that climbed Everist wrote an
> autobiography called Touch The Top of the World. You can get it on
> Bookshare.
>
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> From: Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion
> List<sportsandrec at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:43:24
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> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
>
> Hi Guys!
> I done the sited guide line in the city and it works very well. I
> don't know how to get arround taking the responsability of safety off
> the sited person when the ttrail includes a rocky drop off, roots,
> hills with anything from rocks to branches that could all cause major
> injury plus the risk of the domino effect where one goes down, every
> one goes down. I don't know how how a blind man climbed Mount
> Everest. I'd like a few ideas from that experience because if one can
> climb Mount Everest, then they can understand a risky trail with less
> risk than Mount Everest but still has a high risk even for a sited
> traveler. I like the ski pole idea! I also like the small group idea since it worked well on Saturday.
> I am not the one who is making my boyfriend feeling responsable. He
> is doing that one himself. I don't know how to get arround that one
> without simply not going which isn't an option if we all want to enjoy
> hot springs. I don't mind him telling us what's coming because a fall
> off a cliff would kill the hike in two seconds. I just want to make
> it better for him while still doing the hike even if I can only make
> it a bit easier for the other hikers so that he has a bit less to deal
> with during the hike.
> Kendra
>
>
> "When the student is ready,
> the teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and
> so is my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not
> only ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon, Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of Oz
> universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> Go Baltimore Ravens!
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> Go Oregon State Beavers!
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>
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Arielle Silverman via Sportsandrec
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Kendra. I have been with my sighted husband for six years, and we
> often hang out with my blind friends together, though we have not gone
> hiking yet with them. I think that even the best sighted guys will
> take a while to get used to being around a lot of blind people.
> Unfortunately, sighted people grow up immersed in the larger society's
> cultural beliefs about blindness and even when they intellectually
> understand what we can do, they might not emotionally feel comfortable
> with blind people traveling safely at first. I do think it gets
> better with time. If he feels stressed about the hiking, perhaps you
> could spend some timejust hanging out together with your blind friends
> in a quiet setting where he can just talk to them and get to know them
> as an equal. I also think that even when sighted guys understand that
> they aren't responsible for us, they usually have access to some
> privileged information. The lone sighted person in a group may feel
> obligated to pass this privileged information along (such as
> information about directions, alerts about upcoming obstacles, or
> information about scenery)and this can become a kind of
> responsibility. One thing you might consider is having the blind
> people pair up and walk holding arms or linking elbows so the sighted
> person only needs to give verbal directions to one person in each
> pair. Sighted people often like to watch those who are following to
> make sure they are keeping up, so it's easier if he only needs to look
> back at the person right behind him. If you are comfortable using
> sighted guide with your boyfriend you could hold his arm and then
> relay information about turns, etc. to the others who are walking
> behind you. Best of luck!
> Arielle
>
> On 8/23/15, Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> Hi all!
> That makes sense. In this case, it's as I alluted to earlier,
> responsable in nature because of the hazards. I was looking for
> alternitive techniques and/or where you can get good ski poles. By
> the way, that's a good idea!
> I'll have to check out that one website. I like to see what it says.
> Kendra
> "When the student is ready,
> the teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and
> so is my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not
> only ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon, Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of Oz
> universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> Go Baltimore Ravens!
> Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> Go Oregon State Beavers!
> Go Portland Winter Hawks!
>
> I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend In Salem, Oregon.
> This E Mail Was Sent right to your E Mail inbox from Kendra's
> Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on
> Kendra's iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
>
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Thornbury via Sportsandrec
> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You know what's funny... If I organize a group outing on the trails I
> feel ultimately responsible for everyone's safety, even the sighted
> folks.
>
> I don't see in itself an issue in the ownership of responsibility, I
> guess to me it depends on how it's presented. If it's babying or
> patronizing I have a problem, but if it's pointing out true hazards,
> interesting scenery, or something like inclement weather I'm pretty
> okay with it. I would like to think my skills off the beaten path are
> adequate, but I also wouldn't want to miss a one foot wide bridge over a twenty foot dropoff...
> Trust me that sucks the fun out of a hike.
>
> Kel
>
> On Nov 16, 2002, at 9:40 PM, Joe Shaw via Sportsandrec wrote:
>
> Am I allowed to question his belief in the abilities of blind people
> while carrying the weight of being responsible for us? I know...
> that's not popular.
> Joe Shaw
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> Cc: "Kendra Schafer" <redwing731 at gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:59 PM
> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
>
>
> Hi all!
> Yesterday, I walked to a local but out of the way historical hot spring.
> I had my sited boyfriend, and two blind ladies with me. To get to
> this hot spring, you have to walk a half a mile on a trail with a few
> rugged spots and a lot of tree roots. This was my boyfriend's first
> time getting a group of blind people down this kind of trail. The
> trip actually went very well. We all felt good to do the trip because
> the other ladies haven't traveled in nature in three years. My
> boyfriend on the other hand didn't get to enjoy the journey as much as
> the rest of us so I feel bad for him. My boyfriend believes that
> blind people can do anything we set our minds to, however, he still feels responsable for
> any blind person's safety, well being and transportation. How can I
> make the trip more enjoyable for my sited boyfriend who felt the
> burden of responsibility? I suggested finding another volunteer to
> assist in navigating the trails. I know that there is a Better way
> since I did this sort of thing with other groups in the past. Would
> something like this require another sited volunteer? Him taking the
> responsability and doing this sort of thing once or twice a year? Are
> there techniques out there for this sort of thing? Is there a way for
> me to help one of them navagate the tree roots and follow behind while
> doing so and letting my boyfriend helping all of us through the
> roughest parts of the trail? Any ideas would be most appriciated Please!!! Thank you!!!
> Kendra
>
>
> "When the student is ready,
> the teacher will appear"
> Author unknown
> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and
> so is my job of discovering where they are.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has set me free before it showed me how to see the stars.
> Baltimore, Maryland showed me how to soar to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> Paganism showed me the way home where I feel magic all around me.
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not
> only ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
>
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
>
>
> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> Blessed Be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> A blind Pagan federationist,
> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon, Capitol Chapter,
>
> Live the Life We Want
>
>
> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth, Narnia, and Land of Oz
> universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> Go Baltimore Ravens!
> Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> Go Oregon State Beavers!
> Go Portland Winter Hawks!
>
> I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend In Salem, Oregon.
> This E Mail Was Sent right to your E Mail inbox from Kendra's
> Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on
> Kendra's iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
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