[Sportsandrec] {Spam?} Re: Looking for ways to navigate Trails in nature.

Mon Apr 18 15:15:57 UTC 2016

Just grasp one another's shoulders. Works much better!sighted guide 
technique with
>more than one blind person. I think that using canes or walking sticks will
>help amincely even if the blind participants aren't used to using a Cain
>when going sighted guide, I.E holding onto each other by the elbow. This way
>each person can relay trail information to the person behind them as needed.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sportsandrec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>Arielle Silverman via Sportsandrec
>Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 8:47 PM
>To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>Cc: Arielle Silverman
>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
>
>Hi Kendra. I have been with my sighted husband for six years, and we
>often hang out with my blind friends together, though we have not gone
>hiking yet with them. I think that even the best sighted guys will
>take a while to get used to being around a lot of blind people.
>Unfortunately, sighted people grow up immersed in the larger society's
>cultural beliefs about blindness and even when they intellectually
>understand what we can do, they might not emotionally feel comfortable
>with blind people traveling safely at first. I do think it gets better
>with time. If he feels stressed about the hiking, perhaps you could
>spend some timejust hanging out together with your blind friends in a
>quiet setting where he can just talk to them and get to know them as
>an equal. I also think that even when sighted guys understand that
>they aren't responsible for us, they usually have access to some
>privileged information. The lone sighted person in a group may feel
>obligated to pass this privileged information along (such as
>information about directions, alerts about upcoming obstacles, or
>information about scenery)and this can become a kind of
>responsibility. One thing you might consider is having the blind
>people pair up and walk holding arms or linking elbows so the sighted
>person only needs to give verbal directions to one person in each
>pair. Sighted people often like to watch those who are following to
>make sure they are keeping up, so it's easier if he only needs to look
>back at the person right behind him. If you are comfortable using
>sighted guide with your boyfriend you could hold his arm and then
>relay information about turns, etc. to the others who are walking
>behind you. Best of luck!
>Arielle
>
>On 8/23/15, Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > That makes sense. In this case, it's as I alluted to earlier, responsable
>in
> > nature because of the hazards. I was looking for alternitive techniques
> > and/or where you can get good ski poles. By the way, that's a good idea!
> > I'll have to check out that one website. I like to see what it says.
> > Kendra
> >  "When the student is ready,
> >  the  teacher will appear"
> >  Author unknown
> >  Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and so
>is
> > my job of discovering where they are.
> >   Blindness has often tested me.
> >
> >  Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
> >  Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
> >  Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> > Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around me.
> >  As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only
> > ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
> >
> >  I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
> >
> >
> > I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> > Blessed Be!!!
> > Kendra Schaber,
> >  A blind Pagan federationist,
> > The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
> > Capitol Chapter,
> >
> > Live the Life We Want
> >
> >
> > Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of Oz
> > universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> >  Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> > Go Detroit Red Wings!
> > Go Baltimore Ravens!
> > Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> > Go Oregon State Beavers!
> > Go Portland Winter Hawks!
> >
> >   I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, Oregon.
> > This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from Kendra's
> > Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on Kendra's
> > iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
> >
> >> On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Thornbury via Sportsandrec
> >> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> You know what's funny... If I organize a group outing on the trails I
>feel
> >> ultimately responsible for everyone's safety, even the sighted folks.
> >>
> >> I don't see in itself an issue in the ownership of responsibility, I
>guess
> >> to me it depends on how it's presented. If it's babying or patronizing I
> >> have a problem, but if it's pointing out true hazards, interesting
> >> scenery, or something like inclement weather I'm pretty okay with it. I
> >> would like to think my skills off the beaten path are adequate, but I
>also
> >> wouldn't want to miss a one foot wide bridge over a twenty foot
>dropoff...
> >> Trust me that sucks the fun out of a hike.
> >>
> >> Kel
> >>
> >>> On Nov 16, 2002, at 9:40 PM, Joe Shaw via Sportsandrec wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am I allowed to question his belief in the abilities of blind people
> >>> while carrying the weight of being responsible for us? I know... that's
> >>> not popular.
> >>> Joe Shaw
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Schafer via Sportsandrec"
> >>> <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> >>> To: <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: "Kendra Schafer" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:59 PM
> >>> Subject: [Sportsandrec] Looking for ways to navagate Trails in nature.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all!
> >>>> Yesterday, I walked to a local but out of the way historical hot
>spring.
> >>>> I had my sited boyfriend, and two blind ladies with me. To get to this
> >>>> hot spring, you have to walk a half a mile on a trail with a few rugged
> >>>> spots and a lot of tree roots. This was my boyfriend's first time
> >>>> getting a group of blind people down this kind of trail. The trip
> >>>> actually went very well. We all felt good to do the trip because the
> >>>> other ladies haven't traveled in nature in three years. My boyfriend on
> >>>> the other hand didn't get to enjoy the journey as much as the rest of
>us
> >>>> so I feel bad for him. My boyfriend believes that blind people can do
> >>>> anything we set our minds to,  however, he still feels responsable for
> >>>> any blind person's safety, well being and transportation.   How can I
> >>>> make the trip more enjoyable for my sited boyfriend who felt the burden
> >>>> of responsibility? I suggested finding another volunteer to assist in
> >>>> navigating the trails. I know that there is a Better way since I did
> >>>> this sort of thing with other groups in the past. Would something like
> >>>> this require another sited volunteer? Him taking  the responsability
>and
> >>>> doing this sort of thing once or twice a year? Are there techniques out
> >>>> there for this sort of thing?  Is there a way for me to help one of
>them
> >>>> navagate the tree roots and follow behind while doing so and letting my
> >>>> boyfriend helping all of us through the roughest parts of the trail?
>Any
> >>>> ideas would be most appriciated Please!!! Thank you!!!
> >>>> Kendra
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "When the student is ready,
> >>>> the  teacher will appear"
> >>>> Author unknown
> >>>> Life always proves to me that I know the best roads are out there and
>so
> >>>> is my job of discovering where they are.
> >>>> Blindness has often tested me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Love has set  me free before it  showed me how to see the stars.
> >>>> Baltimore, Maryland  showed me how to soar to the stars.
> >>>> Seattle, Washington let me soar on the wings of my imagination.
> >>>> Paganism showed me the way home where  I feel magic all around me.
> >>>> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not
>only
> >>>> ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe that everything is all interconnected and full of magic.
> >>>> Blessed Be!!!
> >>>> Kendra Schaber,
> >>>> A blind Pagan federationist,
> >>>> The National Federation Of The Blind Of Oregon,
> >>>> Capitol Chapter,
> >>>>
> >>>> Live the Life We Want
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Diehard Fan Of Harry Potter, Middle Earth,  Narnia, and Land of Oz
> >>>> universes. I love anything to do with bald eagles.
> >>>> Go Pittsburgh Penguins!
> >>>> Go Detroit Red Wings!
> >>>> Go Baltimore Ravens!
> >>>> Go Seattle Sea Hawks!
> >>>> Go Oregon State Beavers!
> >>>> Go Portland Winter Hawks!
> >>>>
> >>>> I am Happily Living With My Wonderful Boyfriend  In Salem, Oregon.
> >>>> This  E Mail Was Sent  right  to your E Mail inbox  from Kendra's
> >>>> Constantly Active Mobile Google E Mail Box which is located on Kendra's
> >>>> iPhone 5 that happens to be blind user friendly.
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