[Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 21:33:13 UTC 2017 

They didn't use a headset at Ski for Light. But the ski poles make me think of the poles you are speaking of.
Cindy


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From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Erin Kavanagh via SportsandRec
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Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!

Hi Cindy, I'm not overly familiar with skiing so I can't speak to the use of poles (maybe someone else on the list can). I do know headsets are used between a guide and a blind skier to communicate information so in that way yes I think there are similarities.
Erin

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Cindy Ray via SportsandRec < sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Is that a little like the method of skiing with the ski poles?
> Cindy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
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>
> I was fortunate enough to learn about hiking strategies from Mike 
> Armstrong last year. He organized a group to hike the S. Kaibab trail 
> down into the Grand Canyon and back out in the same day. We did a lot 
> of practice hikes on trails in and around Phoenix as preparation for that day.
> He uses trekking poles (one in each hand) and he bear walks - which 
> means the same hand/foot/pole goes forward at the same time (gliding 
> close to the ground).
> For the hikes we used guides with vision wearing bear bells. Mike 
> didn't need any information other than the general direction of the 
> trail as provided by the sound of the bell on the guide (who didn't 
> need to remain very close) and he used his trekking poles for both 
> information and balance (not to mention he's very athletic). Others in 
> the group preferred more information so the guide was available to 
> provide whatever level of info was useful. We did work to establish 
> standard verbal phrases for ease of processing while hiking such as 
> 'step down' or 'step up' and 'rubble' or 'rocky' for terrain descriptions (these were really really long hikes!).
> Coming out of the Canyon one hiker was slowing significantly and 
> struggling so Mike directed her to keep one trekking pole and with her 
> other hand grab his pack (like a hiking version of human guide 
> technique) and it worked really well. I used these techniques with 
> young hikers on a more commercial trail as part of a sports camp in 
> OR. At first they weren't keen to trade in their mobility canes for 
> the trekking poles, but it quickly became clear that the poles were 
> more effective for weight-bearing and information gathering on the 
> trail and they were able to be more independent with the activity then they expected.
> Cheers, Erin K
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Cindy Ray via SportsandRec < 
> sportsandrec at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > You know, that walk in the park thing isn't the point. There are 
> > people who aren't where some of you are. It could be the beginning 
> > of their hiking experience, and they might then move on to bigger things.
> > Cindy
> >
> >
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> > Behalf Of Michael via SportsandRec
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> > Cc: Michael <bonsai1b at bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!
> >
> > Nella, I hadn't thought of the bell or leash.  Each in their own 
> > situation would offer great help, although the bell might drive the 
> > person carrying it crazy.  I have used trekking poles and find them 
> > to provide both support and input much the same way that a cane 
> > does.  I agree that most special trails I have encountered are 
> > essentially a walk
> in the park.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nella Foster via SportsandRec
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:22 PM
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> > Cc: Nella Foster
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!
> >
> >
> > I'm totally blind and haven't hiked alone, but used to go a lot with 
> > friends and family.  Depending on the difficulty of the trail 
> > determined how I hiked it.  My last guide dog was very good on 
> > fairly difficult trails.  When using him sometimes I went in front 
> > and other times followed others.  I use a hiking stick to feel the 
> > trail and for balance.  On narrow technical trails I've even used 2 hiking sticks.
> > Sometimes I put a bell on the pack of the person in front of me so I 
> > could follow.  I've also attached a leash to the pack of the person 
> > in front of me.  I only did this on really steep narrow trails, the 
> > kind with big drop offs to one or both sides.
> >
> > I've encountered a few places where there were large boulders on the 
> > trail and getting around or over them was challenging.  I'm not 
> > above getting down on my hands and knees and crawling over something 
> > if I feel it is the safest way.  I did that once when going over a 
> > log to cross a creek.  I was concerned that my balance wasn't good 
> > enough to make it and I really didn't want to fall several feet into icy water.
> > So I just crawled across; some of my friends laughed, but I didn't 
> > care.
> >
> > If you're carrying a heavy pack it will change your balance.  Also 
> > if it is a tall pack I think it interferes with my hearing.
> >
> > I've never really used special trails.  The few that I've been on 
> > were nice, but I would have called them a nice walk, not a hike.  I 
> > have seen a couple trails that had plants labeled in large print and 
> > Braille.
> >
> > Nella
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Michael via SportsandRec
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:27 AM
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> > Cc: Michael
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!
> >
> > Yes, this is one of my top two desires after losing my sight ten 
> > years
> ago.
> > I was an avid hiker and backpacker and would love to get tips from 
> > the group.  I read Michael O Hansen's book and it gave me increased 
> > courage to undertake sunch a journey.
> >
> > Michael
> >
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> > From: Gaston Bedard via SportsandRec
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:53 AM
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> > Cc: Gaston Bedard ; 'Jennifer Boylan'
> > Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!
> >
> >
> > Hello folks,
> > This is an interesting topic, it would be nice to know what folks 
> > have to say.
> > So, please share your experiences with us.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SportsandRec [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Jennifer Boylan via SportsandRec
> > Sent: February-13-17 10:07 PM
> > To: sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Jennifer Boylan
> > Subject: [Sportsandrec] Hiking/nature recreation input please!
> >
> > Hi listers, a nearby lions club has a project to redo the sensory 
> > trail at a national Park. They have been working on this and would 
> > like some of your expert advice, tips or in person in put in 
> > encouraging the blind to explore the outdoors, hiking marked and 
> > unmarked routes, etc. Please share your experiences and advice and 
> > your contact info if you would be willing to be consulted by lions 
> > club members, thank you!
> > JENNIFER Gass
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, please forgive any typos. ☺️
> >
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