[stylist] donna hill just joined us

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Tue Nov 4 18:52:34 UTC 2008 

I know, sometimes I have something in my head, like a mental picture of a
graph, or the labeling of edit boxes for that matter, and for some reason
think about it backwards. I swear it just turns itself upside down in my
mind, just for a brief time, but still its frustrating.  

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Donna Hill
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:04 AM
To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us

Angela,
Thanks, I do the same thing and sometimes don't realize it for months.  
Yesterday, I was re reading the early chapters of my novel and realized that
I had mixed up north and south repeatedly in one section.  
Honestly, you invent these imaginary places, and then can't remember how to
calculate north and south.  Maybe more coffee would help.
Donna

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Angela fowler wrote:
> Donna, you are absolutely right, and I apologize for putting the wrong 
> information up here. I got that completely backwards. Honestly, I 
> don't know what I was thinking. Must have been posting before my first cup
of coffee.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:54 AM
> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us
>
> Angela,
> I'm a bit confused by this.  I've always liked it best (out of forms
> mode) for the description to appear above the edit box to which it 
> applies, not below.  My experience with printed/Braille forms is that 
> the normal way is to have, for instance, "Name" at the beginning of 
> the line and the blank where you put it after.  I always assumed that 
> everyone would prefer the description be before/above the field,.
> Apparently from the way you describe it, my preference is at odds with 
> the standard expectations.  Perhaps, someone can explain why having 
> the edit field first makes it more accessible?
>
> My experience with the O mag web site was a bit different than yours, 
> but with the same net result, (I'm  using Jaws 9 point something).  In 
> forms mode, the descriptions appear with the edit box below where they 
> belonged for the most part -- e.g. the first edit field is unlabeled, 
> the box for the last name says "First Name" and the following box for 
> your age said "Last Name." Out of forms mode the beginning of the form 
> has the edit boxes above the descriptions, but then there are several 
> edit fields and combo boxes where multiple descriptions appear on a 
> given line.  There is a section for alternate phone numbers which is 
> totally confusing.  Then, the description for the comments section appears
above the edit field.
>
> The other wierd thing is that, though I successfully sent my comments 
> on the review of "Blindness,"  I haven't been able to get one sent 
> since then -- I have been trying to send comments about the form itself.
> Maybe that's just as well, if my idea of accessible is that far off base.
>
> Donna
>
> --
> For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>
> Apple I-Tunes
>
> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=259244
> 374
>
> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind 
> www.padnfb.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Angela fowler wrote:
>   
>> In an accessible web site, the labels are below the edit boxes, combo 
>> boxes, and other controls. This way the screen reader knows what 
>> label corresponds with which, for example, edit box. On the Oprah web 
>> site the labels were above the edit boxes, so that if you went 
>> according to the labels you were putting information one edit box 
>> below where it was supposed to go. I had to constantly flip in and 
>> out of forms mode to
>>     
> make sure I was doing it right.
>   
>> I'm pretty good on the computer, but folks who are just learning 
>> would have been totally confused.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:06 PM
>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] donna hill just joined us
>>
>> donna,
>> that we can put up with!
>>
>> yes, people need to protest Oprah's mag.
>>
>> you're welcome here.
>>
>> my wife is a very gifted singer of opera, negro spirituals, show 
>> tunes,
>>     
> etc.
>   
>> she was at Atlanta national convention.
>> jc
>>
>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>> Lawrence, KS
>>
>> At 09:03 AM 11/3/2008, you wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> JC,
>>> Yes, that was my letter, and thanks for mentioning it.  I had 
>>> actually forgotten that I'd sent it in to Ziegler and haven't read 
>>> the latest issue yet.
>>>
>>> Currently, I'm trying to get the O magazine to make their online 
>>> form more user friendly to screen readers.  Bloomberg's people 
>>> responded almost instantly, but that's not the case with O.  Some of 
>>> us want to comment on the review of the movie "Blindness" in the October
issue.
>>> I did it, but there was a lot of trial and error before I got it right.
>>> I heard from others who just gave up, so I contacted the NFB 
>>> technology center and reported it, but I have no experience with how 
>>> long that process takes.
>>>
>>> What's your wife's performing art of choice?
>>> BTW, I'm enjoying the list.  It's great that people can share things 
>>> their having a problem with -- no comments about that unorthodox use 
>>> of prepositions, please; I'm Pennsylvania Dutch.
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> --
>>> For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>
>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>
>>> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=2592
>>> 4
>>> 43
>>> 74
>>>
>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind 
>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> well,
>>>> imagine my surprise I was just reading the letters (readers forum) 
>>>> section of the Ziegler Magazine and saw our new member has a letter
>>>>         
> there.
>   
>>>> apparently she leaned on the New York Mayor's office to fix their 
>>>> website and make it speech friendly!
>>>>
>>>> good going!  and Donna, if my wife would ever pay her dues, she's 
>>>> in PAD
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> too.
>>   
>>     
>>>> jc
>>>>
>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>
>>>>
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