[stylist] writing about blindness

Judith Bron jbron at optonline.net
Thu Nov 13 13:30:53 UTC 2008 

Yes Jim, that's his first name.  JB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness


> isn't he david patterson?
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 09:26 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>>Governor Patterson of New York.  I forgot his first name.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>>
>>>Couldn't have said it better myself. Whose your gov? Just curious you can
>>>answer off list if you want.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 PM
>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>>I work for our local Independent Living Center.  Our department does job
>>>placement.  Most of our clients are mentally ill but that category is so
>>>large and divided into so many different sub divisions that we can't even
>>>begin to define that group.  The problem is that many put the mentally 
>>>ill
>>>and the physically impaired in the same basket.  The only way to break 
>>>this
>>>unfair and ridiculous corelation is to get the handicapped out there in
>>>visible situations where the public realizes that a person maybe blind,
>>>wheelchair bound or deaf, but they still perform their job like any other
>>>person.  The Governor of New York is visually impaired but he is not an
>>>advocate for the blind.  He doesn't read braille, use adaptive equipment 
>>>or
>>>travel with a white cane.  Perhaps he has enough vision to not need these
>>>things but the fact remains that he has a staff to write his letters and
>>>communications, a driver to get him around and guards that tell him which
>>>way to turn.  We need people who are in the face of every American to 
>>>prove
>>>that their stereotypes are based on false premises.  Judith
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes, Donna, and if you happen to have some info about that study, I'd
>>>>like to read about it. That is what we're up against, and will be for
>>>>a long time. How long I don't know.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>>Angela, That's the point, isn't it?  We're not thought of as normal.
>>>>Remember the study that the National Organization on Disability
>>>>commissioned through the Louis Harris organization in 1990?  The
>>>>summary states that the public "views people with disabilities as
>>>>fundamentally different than themselves."  It goes on to say they feel
>>>>admiration and pity most often.
>>>>That's what we're still up against isn't it?
>>>>Donna
>>>>
>>>>--
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>>>>
>>>>Angela fowler wrote:
>>>>>It seems if blind people aren't portrayed as helpless, they're
>>>>>portrayed
>>>>as
>>>>>having some special ability or required to be super organized. Take
>>>>>Henry
>>>>in
>>>>>Blackhouse for example. He doesn't use a cane, and makes his way
>>>>>around flawlessly by hearing objects he's about to run into. He can
>>>>>hear a door knob and that's how he knows where it is. I'm hard of
>>>>>hearing, but I don't think even folks with normal hearing can hear a
>>>>>door knob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, everything in his house is super organized, meticulously placed
>>>>>in some intricate system. If anything is out of place he's lost. I
>>>>>personally am a disaster when it comes to organization, could
>>>>>probably take some
>>>>lesson
>>>>>from Henry, but still manage to slog through life with things rarely
>>>>>in
>>>>the
>>>>>same place all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>It'd be nice to once in a while see blind people portrayed as just
>>>>>normal every-day folks.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:37 AM
>>>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>Helene,
>>>>>Agreed.  Also, to put things in perspective, publishers don't accept
>>>>>well over ninety percent of everything they get.
>>>>>Donna
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>>>>>http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple I-Tunes
>>>>>
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>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>helene ryles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so many
>>>>>>negative examples of blind and disabled characters in fiction that
>>>>>>it would be a good thing if blind authors with possitive views on
>>>>>>their blindness would educate people by including a character or two
>>>>>>in their novels.
>>>>>>As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the
>>>>>>publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still include
>>>>>>them and hope that one day that would change. After all Van Goth
>>>>>>didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time. But they are
>>>>>>famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded about the disabled
>>>>>>in the future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Helene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary
>>>>>>>people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and publishing
>>>>>>>it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial, ethnic
>>>>>>>or handicapped, you  might want to try publishers or periodicals
>>>>>>>that are dedicated to that particular genre.  Yes, there are times
>>>>>>>that you can transcend the divide, but you have to write with the
>>>>>>>audience you are writing for.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim,
>>>>>>>>You make a couple of good points here.  I am very conscious that,
>>>>>>>>if I intend to market a short story, having it be about blindness
>>>>>>>>may turn off a publication.  I do have several ideas that I've
>>>>>>>>been sitting on which are about the ironies of how blind people
>>>>>>>>are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting on them.
>>>>>>>>Donna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>>>>>>>>http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Aziza,
>>>>>>>>>that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this 
>>>>>>>>>society:
>>>>>>>>>very very few examples or role models in the media, the books, etc.
>>>>>>>>>whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not the
>>>>>>>>>first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I have an
>>>>>>>>>idea, I want to write a story about some particular struggle,
>>>>>>>>>some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>>>it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major
>>>>>>>>>character who is blind makes your story harder for some readers
>>>>>>>>>to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they don't
>>>>>>>>>experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>>>so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>***
>>>>>>>>>personal update:
>>>>>>>>>by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the flu-like
>>>>>>>>>symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches; stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>>>apparently I will get worse before I get better.  last thursday I
>>>>>>>>>started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune disorder.
>>>>>>>>>thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>>>jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read a
>>>>>>>>>>lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted characters.
>>>>>>>>>>I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see the
>>>>>>>>>>teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I think I
>>>>>>>>>>can write about fiction sighted characters as well as I can
>>>>>>>>>>blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>>><fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>>><stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters
>>>>>>>>>>>obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers, we
>>>>>>>>>>>limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind characters or
>>>>>>>>>>>blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical
>>>>>>>>>>>research and writing class vowing I was going to write about
>>>>>>>>>>>anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about the
>>>>>>>>>>>way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's my
>>>>>articles.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>But
>>>>>>>>>>>when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have
>>>>>>>>>>>other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis.  However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>when I am writing I seem to go into a different world.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>write about people who are ill, some of my characters die and
>>>>>>>>>>>>others fall into the clutches of bad people.  If I say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>blindness bores me, you might come out with an arms length of
>>>>>>>>>>>>causes for my symptoms.  However, a person does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>necessarily want to write about those things they live with
>>>>>>>>>>>>and rise above on a daily basis.  I am fat.  Writing about
>>>>>>>>>>>>being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Live with it.  Fight against it as much as possible, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>shouldn't dominate every facet of your life.  Again, you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not.  I won't drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>paper when I can't even make out one picture in the blasted
>>>>>>>>>>>>thing.  Judith _______________________________________________
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