[stylist] writing about blindness

Judith Bron jbron at optonline.net
Thu Nov 13 16:57:47 UTC 2008 

I agree with you Donna about what helped David Patterson on a political road 
that made him a success.  Our success as people is that we made it into a 
the world of the living on our own and not on the backs of others.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness


> It's David Paterson, and as far as I know he is the son of a politician 
> which makes him upper middle class in my book.  I'm so sick of hearing 
> about how easy it is to be blind from people whose families are 
> economically well off and socially connected.  As much as I respect Helen 
> Keller, the only blind woman anyone seems to know, I would like to say 
> that if someone gave me a full-time helper, I'd be a lot further along the 
> road to success.
> Ooops, there I go ranting again.
> Donna
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> Judith Bron wrote:
>> Governor Patterson of New York.  I forgot his first name.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>>
>>> Couldn't have said it better myself. Whose your gov? Just curious you 
>>> can
>>> answer off list if you want.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>> I work for our local Independent Living Center.  Our department does job
>>> placement.  Most of our clients are mentally ill but that category is so
>>> large and divided into so many different sub divisions that we can't 
>>> even
>>> begin to define that group.  The problem is that many put the mentally 
>>> ill
>>> and the physically impaired in the same basket.  The only way to break 
>>> this
>>> unfair and ridiculous corelation is to get the handicapped out there in
>>> visible situations where the public realizes that a person maybe blind,
>>> wheelchair bound or deaf, but they still perform their job like any 
>>> other
>>> person.  The Governor of New York is visually impaired but he is not an
>>> advocate for the blind.  He doesn't read braille, use adaptive equipment 
>>> or
>>> travel with a white cane.  Perhaps he has enough vision to not need 
>>> these
>>> things but the fact remains that he has a staff to write his letters and
>>> communications, a driver to get him around and guards that tell him 
>>> which
>>> way to turn.  We need people who are in the face of every American to 
>>> prove
>>> that their stereotypes are based on false premises.  Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Donna, and if you happen to have some info about that study, I'd
>>>> like to read about it. That is what we're up against, and will be for
>>>> a long time. How long I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>> Angela, That's the point, isn't it?  We're not thought of as normal.
>>>> Remember the study that the National Organization on Disability
>>>> commissioned through the Louis Harris organization in 1990?  The
>>>> summary states that the public "views people with disabilities as
>>>> fundamentally different than themselves."  It goes on to say they feel
>>>> admiration and pity most often.
>>>> That's what we're still up against isn't it?
>>>> Donna
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Angela fowler wrote:
>>>>> It seems if blind people aren't portrayed as helpless, they're
>>>>> portrayed
>>>> as
>>>>> having some special ability or required to be super organized. Take
>>>>> Henry
>>>> in
>>>>> Blackhouse for example. He doesn't use a cane, and makes his way
>>>>> around flawlessly by hearing objects he's about to run into. He can
>>>>> hear a door knob and that's how he knows where it is. I'm hard of
>>>>> hearing, but I don't think even folks with normal hearing can hear a
>>>>> door knob.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, everything in his house is super organized, meticulously placed
>>>>> in some intricate system. If anything is out of place he's lost. I
>>>>> personally am a disaster when it comes to organization, could
>>>>> probably take some
>>>> lesson
>>>>> from Henry, but still manage to slog through life with things rarely
>>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> same place all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> It'd be nice to once in a while see blind people portrayed as just
>>>>> normal every-day folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:37 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Helene,
>>>>> Agreed.  Also, to put things in perspective, publishers don't accept
>>>>> well over ninety percent of everything they get.
>>>>> Donna
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> helene ryles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so many
>>>>>> negative examples of blind and disabled characters in fiction that
>>>>>> it would be a good thing if blind authors with possitive views on
>>>>>> their blindness would educate people by including a character or two
>>>>>> in their novels.
>>>>>> As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the
>>>>>> publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still include
>>>>>> them and hope that one day that would change. After all Van Goth
>>>>>> didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time. But they are
>>>>>> famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded about the disabled
>>>>>> in the future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary
>>>>>>> people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and publishing
>>>>>>> it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial, ethnic
>>>>>>> or handicapped, you  might want to try publishers or periodicals
>>>>>>> that are dedicated to that particular genre.  Yes, there are times
>>>>>>> that you can transcend the divide, but you have to write with the
>>>>>>> audience you are writing for.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>> You make a couple of good points here.  I am very conscious that,
>>>>>>>> if I intend to market a short story, having it be about blindness
>>>>>>>> may turn off a publication.  I do have several ideas that I've
>>>>>>>> been sitting on which are about the ironies of how blind people
>>>>>>>> are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting on them.
>>>>>>>> Donna
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>>> that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this 
>>>>>>>>> society:
>>>>>>>>> very very few examples or role models in the media, the books, 
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not the
>>>>>>>>> first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I have an
>>>>>>>>> idea, I want to write a story about some particular struggle,
>>>>>>>>> some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>>> it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major
>>>>>>>>> character who is blind makes your story harder for some readers
>>>>>>>>> to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they don't
>>>>>>>>> experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>>> so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>> personal update:
>>>>>>>>> by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the flu-like
>>>>>>>>> symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches; stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>>> apparently I will get worse before I get better.  last thursday I
>>>>>>>>> started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune disorder.
>>>>>>>>> thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read a
>>>>>>>>>> lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted characters.
>>>>>>>>>> I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see the
>>>>>>>>>> teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I think I
>>>>>>>>>> can write about fiction sighted characters as well as I can
>>>>>>>>>> blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>>> <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of writing.
>>>>>>>>>>> While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers, we
>>>>>>>>>>> limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind characters or
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical
>>>>>>>>>>> research and writing class vowing I was going to write about
>>>>>>>>>>> anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about the
>>>>>>>>>>> way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's my
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> articles.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>> when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have
>>>>>>>>>>> other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis.  However,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I am writing I seem to go into a different world.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> write about people who are ill, some of my characters die and
>>>>>>>>>>>> others fall into the clutches of bad people.  If I say that
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness bores me, you might come out with an arms length of
>>>>>>>>>>>> causes for my symptoms.  However, a person does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessarily want to write about those things they live with
>>>>>>>>>>>> and rise above on a daily basis.  I am fat.  Writing about
>>>>>>>>>>>> being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Live with it.  Fight against it as much as possible, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't dominate every facet of your life.  Again, you may
>>>>>>>>>>>> think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not.  I won't drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>> paper when I can't even make out one picture in the blasted
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing.  Judith _______________________________________________
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