[stylist] writing about blindness

Thu Nov 13 19:35:56 UTC 2008

And yet many folks have no idea who Annie Sullivan was--or maybe just an 
inkling.
Barbara

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From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness

> Agreed about Ann Sullivan. She saw that Hellen Keller could make something
> of herself, when few if any in their time would have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judith Bron
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:55 AM
> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>
> Hellen Keller started from ground zero.  Before her, the deaf blind spent
> life in their own closet.  When I first became visually impaired, I felt
> like I was locked in that closet.  It's a very boring place to live.  But 
> I,
> like so many, emerged again into the world of the living.  Hellen is not
> over rated, but a pioneer.  Her teacher, Ann Sullivan, deserves all the
> credit for getting Hellen to a place where she could live her life and not
> be stripped of it.  Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>
>
>> Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks Hellen Keller is
>> overrated. I mean, she accomplished a lot, but she was no Tenbrook!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:14 AM
>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>> It's David Paterson, and as far as I know he is the son of a
>> politician which makes him upper middle class in my book.  I'm so sick
>> of hearing about how easy it is to be blind from people whose families
>> are economically well off and socially connected.  As much as I
>> respect Helen Keller, the only blind woman anyone seems to know, I
>> would like to say that if someone gave me a full-time helper, I'd be a
>> lot further along the road to success.
>> Ooops, there I go ranting again.
>> Donna
>>
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>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>> www.padnfb.org
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>> Judith Bron wrote:
>>> Governor Patterson of New York.  I forgot his first name.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>> Couldn't have said it better myself. Whose your gov? Just curious
>>>> you can answer off list if you want.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>> I work for our local Independent Living Center.  Our department does
>>>> job placement.  Most of our clients are mentally ill but that
>>>> category is so large and divided into so many different sub
>>>> divisions that we can't even begin to define that group.  The
>>>> problem is that many put the mentally ill and the physically
>>>> impaired in the same basket.  The only way to break this unfair and
>>>> ridiculous corelation is to get the handicapped out there in visible
>>>> situations where the public realizes that a person maybe blind,
>>>> wheelchair bound or deaf, but they still perform their job like any
>>>> other person.  The Governor of New York is visually impaired but he
>>>> is not an advocate for the blind.  He doesn't read braille, use
>>>> adaptive equipment or travel with a white cane.  Perhaps he has
>>>> enough vision to not need these things but the fact remains that he
>>>> has a staff to write his letters and communications, a driver to get
>>>> him around and guards that tell him which way to turn.  We need
>>>> people who are in the face of every American to prove that their
> stereotypes are based on false premises.
>>>> Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Donna, and if you happen to have some info about that study,
>>>>> I'd like to read about it. That is what we're up against, and will
>>>>> be for a long time. How long I don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Angela, That's the point, isn't it?  We're not thought of as normal.
>>>>> Remember the study that the National Organization on Disability
>>>>> commissioned through the Louis Harris organization in 1990?  The
>>>>> summary states that the public "views people with disabilities as
>>>>> fundamentally different than themselves."  It goes on to say they
>>>>> feel admiration and pity most often.
>>>>> That's what we're still up against isn't it?
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
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>>>>>
>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Angela fowler wrote:
>>>>>> It seems if blind people aren't portrayed as helpless, they're
>>>>>> portrayed
>>>>> as
>>>>>> having some special ability or required to be super organized.
>>>>>> Take Henry
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Blackhouse for example. He doesn't use a cane, and makes his way
>>>>>> around flawlessly by hearing objects he's about to run into. He
>>>>>> can hear a door knob and that's how he knows where it is. I'm hard
>>>>>> of hearing, but I don't think even folks with normal hearing can
>>>>>> hear a door knob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, everything in his house is super organized, meticulously
>>>>>> placed in some intricate system. If anything is out of place he's
>>>>>> lost. I personally am a disaster when it comes to organization,
>>>>>> could probably take some
>>>>> lesson
>>>>>> from Henry, but still manage to slog through life with things
>>>>>> rarely in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> same place all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It'd be nice to once in a while see blind people portrayed as just
>>>>>> normal every-day folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:37 AM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helene,
>>>>>> Agreed.  Also, to put things in perspective, publishers don't
>>>>>> accept well over ninety percent of everything they get.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
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>>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> helene ryles wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so
>>>>>>> many negative examples of blind and disabled characters in
>>>>>>> fiction that it would be a good thing if blind authors with
>>>>>>> possitive views on their blindness would educate people by
>>>>>>> including a character or two in their novels.
>>>>>>> As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the
>>>>>>> publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still
>>>>>>> include them and hope that one day that would change. After all
>>>>>>> Van Goth didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time.
>>>>>>> But they are famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded
>>>>>>> about the disabled in the future?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helene.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary
>>>>>>>> people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and
>>>>>>>> publishing it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial,
>>>>>>>> ethnic or handicapped, you  might want to try publishers or
>>>>>>>> periodicals that are dedicated to that particular genre.  Yes,
>>>>>>>> there are times that you can transcend the divide, but you have
>>>>>>>> to write with the audience you are writing for.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>> You make a couple of good points here.  I am very conscious
>>>>>>>>> that, if I intend to market a short story, having it be about
>>>>>>>>> blindness may turn off a publication.  I do have several ideas
>>>>>>>>> that I've been sitting on which are about the ironies of how
>>>>>>>>> blind people are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting
>>>>>>>>> on
>> them.
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> For my bio & to hear clips from The Last Straw:
>>>>>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the
>>>>>>>>> Blind www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>>>> that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this
>>>>>>>>>> society:
>>>>>>>>>> very very few examples or role models in the media, the books,
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>> whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not
>>>>>>>>>> the first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I
>>>>>>>>>> have an idea, I want to write a story about some particular
>>>>>>>>>> struggle, some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>>>> it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major
>>>>>>>>>> character who is blind makes your story harder for some
>>>>>>>>>> readers to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they
>>>>>>>>>> don't experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>>>> so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>> personal update:
>>>>>>>>>> by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the
>>>>>>>>>> flu-like symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches;
>> stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>>>> apparently I will get worse before I get better.  last
>>>>>>>>>> thursday I started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune
> disorder.
>>>>>>>>>> thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted 
>>>>>>>>>>> characters.
>>>>>>>>>>> I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see
>>>>>>>>>>> the teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I
>>>>>>>>>>> think I can write about fiction sighted characters as well as
>>>>>>>>>>> I can blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>>>> <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters
>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters or blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>> related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical
>>>>>>>>>>>> research and writing class vowing I was going to write about
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> articles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have
>>>>>>>>>>>> other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when I am writing I seem to go into a different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.  I write about people who are ill, some of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters die and others fall into the clutches of bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.  If I say that blindness bores me, you might come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out with an arms length of causes for my symptoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, a person does not necessarily want to write about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those things they live with and rise above on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis.  I am fat.  Writing about being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live with it.  Fight against it as much as possible, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't dominate every facet of your life.  Again, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not.  I won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> read the paper when I can't even make out one picture in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blasted thing.  Judith
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