[stylist] writing about blindness

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Thu Nov 13 20:13:18 UTC 2008 

I'm almost afraid too. (smile) All this stuff about identity theft, and
information being out there that isn't supposed too ... It makes a person a
bit paranoid.

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From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness

On that point I must agree.  Google is one of my best friends.  Have you
ever looked up yourself or those you love?
Barbara

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From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness

> Barbara,
> I remember hating it in college, when people still thought I should be 
> able to use the card catalog at the library.  Now, with Google and 
> all, it's not nearly as bad.
> Donna
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> Barbara Hammel wrote:
>> I don't know, but I've heard that people do it quite frequently.
>> Ah!  Come to think of it, I think I've done a bit when I wanted to 
>> write an alphabet poem of world cities.  Guess I know what it is 
>> after all.  I hate it!
>> Barbara
>>
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>> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:41 PM
>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>
>>> Research? What's that? (smile)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Donna Hill
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:32 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>
>>> Makes sense to me.  After all, there's a little thing called 
>>> research which is a valuable tool when writing about anything.
>>> Donna
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>>> Aziza wrote:
>>>> It is also up to the author's level of education and understanding 
>>>> about the disability he or she is choosing to write about. I do not 
>>>> hold a lack of knowledge against an author, I hold the fact that 
>>>> they chose to write about something they knew little about in a way 
>>>> that suggests they know more then they do against them.
>>>> If someone does not know about blindness it is not necessarily 
>>>> their fault, but when they choose to write and make up facts in 
>>>> there mind and try to persuade people that their "facts" are true, 
>>>> then it is their fault.
>>>> I'm not sure if that made any sense, it did to me. Lol. (That 
>>>> doesn't always mean much.)
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron" 
>>>> <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It is up to the author to paint their character as normal.  There 
>>>>> are many books that focus on issues surrounding the mentally
handicapped.
>>>>> Is that because mental illness is more obvious, that some mentally 
>>>>> ill people are more violent or because society has reached a level 
>>>>> of acceptance of the mentally ill?  I think it is up to the author 
>>>>> to create his characters in such a way that society sees them as 
>>>>> equals rather than different.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "helene ryles"
>>>>> <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My book has blind characters in it. I think that there are so 
>>>>>> many negative examples of blind and disabled characters in 
>>>>>> fiction that it would be a good thing if blind authors with 
>>>>>> possitive views on their blindness would educate people by 
>>>>>> including a character or two in their novels.
>>>>>> As for me. I write to make sense of my world. If I was told the 
>>>>>> publishers wouldn't accept disabled characters I would still 
>>>>>> include them and hope that one day that would change. After all 
>>>>>> Van Goth didn't have any of his paintings sold in his life time. 
>>>>>> But they are famous now. Maybe people will be more open minded 
>>>>>> about the disabled in the future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/11/2008, Angela fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wonder if writing about blind characters who are just ordinary 
>>>>>>> people, maybe even having a minor role in the story and 
>>>>>>> publishing it mainstream would help to transcend that divide?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:37 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are going to write about a minority, be that racial, 
>>>>>>> ethnic or handicapped, you  might want to try publishers or 
>>>>>>> periodicals that are dedicated to that particular genre.  Yes, 
>>>>>>> there are times that you can transcend the divide, but you have 
>>>>>>> to write with the audience you are writing for.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>> You make a couple of good points here.  I am very conscious 
>>>>>>>> that, if I intend to market a short story, having it be about 
>>>>>>>> blindness may turn off a publication.  I do have several ideas 
>>>>>>>> that I've been sitting on which are about the ironies of how 
>>>>>>>> blind people are viewed and treated, but, as I say, I'm sitting on
them.
>>>>>>>> Donna
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>>>> that's one problem we're up against as blind people in this
>>>>>>>>> society:
>>>>>>>>> very very few examples or role models in the media, the books, 
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> whether to write a character as blind or not is honestly not 
>>>>>>>>> the first thing on my mind because I'm more interested when I 
>>>>>>>>> have an idea, I want to write a story about some particular 
>>>>>>>>> struggle, some puzzle to be unravveled.
>>>>>>>>> it is also important to remember that sometimes having a major 
>>>>>>>>> character who is blind makes your story harder for some 
>>>>>>>>> readers to get into, have the verisimilitude, because they 
>>>>>>>>> don't experience blindness and don't know a blind person.
>>>>>>>>> so there is also a catch-22 about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>> personal update:
>>>>>>>>> by the way I seem to be getting sicker with more of the 
>>>>>>>>> flu-like symptoms getting very bad: headache; other aches;
stiffness; etc.
>>>>>>>>> apparently I will get worse before I get better.  last 
>>>>>>>>> thursday I started the once-a-week shot to treat my autoimmune
disorder.
>>>>>>>>> thank you for praying if you do.
>>>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 01:14 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could write about blind people better, but I read 
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of fiction books, and most of them have sighted characters.
>>>>>>>>>> I draw from those descriptions, also in class, you don't see 
>>>>>>>>>> the teacher teaching many texts with blind people in them. I 
>>>>>>>>>> think I can write about fiction sighted characters as well as 
>>>>>>>>>> I can blind fiction characters. I may of course be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler"
>>>>>>>>>> <fowlers at syix.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on your frame of mind at the time of writing.
>>>>>>>>>>> While blind fiction writers can depict blind characters 
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously far more accurately than sighted fiction writers, 
>>>>>>>>>>> we limit ourselves if we stick exclusively to blind 
>>>>>>>>>>> characters or blindness issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> As for articles, I've been writing about a lot of blindness 
>>>>>>>>>>> related stuff lately. Its funny, I went into my historical 
>>>>>>>>>>> research and writing class vowing I was going to write about 
>>>>>>>>>>> anything but a blindness issue, and ended up writing about 
>>>>>>>>>>> the way the ADA effects blind people. Go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't write about being blind either. I mean unless it's 
>>>>>>>>>>> my articles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>> when I write storries, all my characters can see, and have 
>>>>>>>>>>> other problems they must overcome in their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's denial at all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] writing about blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in denial nor do I ignore the fact that I do have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> handicap that I have to overcome on a daily basis.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when I am writing I seem to go into a different 
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.  I write about people who are ill, some of my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters die and others fall into the clutches of bad 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people.  If I say that blindness bores me, you might come 
>>>>>>>>>>>> out with an arms length of causes for my symptoms.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, a person does not necessarily want to write about 
>>>>>>>>>>>> those things they live with and rise above on a daily 
>>>>>>>>>>>> basis.  I am fat.  Writing about being fat falls under
>>>>>>>>>>> the same category as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Live with it.  Fight against it as much as possible, but it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't dominate every facet of your life.  Again, you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> may think I'm in some kind of denial, but I'm not.  I won't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive a car into a crowd, try sewing a garment while it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the back of my would be victim and I won't pretend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> read the paper when I can't even make out one picture in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the blasted thing.  Judith 
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