[stylist] Come on, folks

Thu Apr 2 20:34:09 UTC 2009

Agreed, Angela.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [stylist] Come on, folks


> For heaven's sake you guys, it really isn't that big an issue. Just 
> because
> you respect someone enough to give them a title, or you give them that 
> title
> because its socially acceptable to do so, doesn't mean you are inferior to
> them or feel inferior to them. On the other hand I'm not real strict about
> that sort of thing. I never call my profs Doctor, and if they insisted I 
> do
> so I might find that off-putting. Let's chock this one up to "To each his
> own."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judith Bron
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:42 AM
> To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Using titles to refer to people
>
> John, Can you respect that others might have different opinions from yours
> and deserve respect for their point of view and accomplishment?  We are 
> not
> all one lump of sugar hardening together in a sugar bag.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Lee Clark" <johnlee at clarktouch.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Using titles to refer to people
>
>
>> Not you, too, Justin?
>>
>> Okay, I'll try not to be too shocked here.  But really.  But I mean.
>> I am so sad, and so sorry, but I am really incredulous here.
>>
>> Is it a low self-esteem thing?  Iis there such desperate need for
>> anything to burnish your image?  Is there no confidence in the real,
>> actual power of your accomplishments in and of themselves?  Iis there
>> no appreciation for the virtue of understatement, or the oblique
>> reference?
>>
>> It has been my great pleasure and privilege to know over fifty people
>> with Ph.Ds.  None, and I repeat, none of them use Dr. next to their
>> names and only use Ph.D sparingly.  Take Harlan Lane, who is the James
>> Elliott Distinguished Professor of History at Northeastern University,
>> who earned his Ph.D from Sorbonne, no less, and wrote bestselling
>> books published by Knopf--he absolutely never uses Dr.  Or take Carol
>> Padden, the chair of the Communications Department at the University
>> of California at San Diego, author of two books, with her husband, Tom
>> Humphries, professor of linguistics and fellow at the Salk Institute,
>> published by Harvard Univeristy Press--no Dr. for either of them.  Or
>> take Brenda Jo Brueggemann, chair of the Deaf Studies department at
>> Ohio State University--she has two Ph.Ds but never goes by Dr.  Or
>> take Bob Harris, the CEO of the Deaf community's biggest Deaf-related
>> store, Harris Communications, who has a Ph.D in psychology--no Dr.  Or
>> take Benjamin J. Soukup, the CEO of CSD, former president of NAD,
>> current chairman of the board of trustees of Gallaudet, who doesn't
>> have ANY degrees that he earned from college, not even a BA degree,
>> but he has a long list of honorary doctorates--nice honors, he says,
>> but he never calls himself Dr.  Or take Jane Frenandes, Ph.D in
>> literature, former provost at Gallaudet, now provost at the University
>> of North Carolina at Asheville--no Dr.  Or take the well-known Deaf
>> comedian, Bob Daniels, Ph.D in comparative literature from
>> Princeton--no Dr.  Or take my very close friend, Sean Virnig, Ph.D in
>> educational administration, now head of the school for the Deaf
>> here--Ph.D on his business card for work, but that's it.
>>
>> Or take those who are hearing, not Deaf like the above--Mary Kirk,
>> Ph.D in education, professor at Metro State University--never Dr.  Or
>> take Dona Mathews, Ph.D in psychology, CEO of a counseling firm
>> here--no Dr.  Or take Bill Williams, Ph.D in Renaissance Studies,
>> gallery owner--no Dr.  Or take Pia Taavila, Ph.D in English, poet--no
>> Dr.  Or take Mike Dykstra, Ph.D in marine biology, government
>> biologist and teaches at UNC Chapel Hill--never Dr.  Or take Oliver
>> Sacks, the bestselling author of many books, Ph.D in neurology, well,
>> sometimes he's called Dr. because he is so distinguished and so, so
>> famous, but it is very rarely used in print and absolutely never in
>> his own books.  Or take Teresa B. Smith, Ph.D in social
>> sciences--you'll never catch her using the title Dr.
>>
>> Only M.D.s are regularly called Dr. in print.  The other kinds of
>> doctors, no.  Sometimes Ph.D, but NOT Dr.
>>
>> Dr. but not a M.D. is a propped-up fake.
>>
>> Why prop up Jernigan or Mauer while they are already great as is?  The
>> propping up only makes it look like they need propping up.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:07 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Using titles to refer to people
>>
>> I think that if you have earned that allusive and prestidgous title,
>> then you have the right to use it whenever you so desire.  As a matter
>> of fact, you should.  Hell, if I had it, I would be putting Dr.
>> Williams on everything.  Boy Dr. Williams has a nice ring to it.
>> Maybe I just go and get me one of them there PHds.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Angela fowler
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:46 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: [stylist] Using titles to refer to people
>>
>> Most people who have PHDs are referred to as Doctor. I think you're
>> reading way too much into it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of John Lee Clark
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:02 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Heroes of the blind community
>>
>> Hey, all:
>>
>> I notice NFB's tendency to take pains to refer to people with
>> doctorates as Dr.  Am I to read into this a kind of inferiority
>> complex and if you have a doctorate you make sure it is known and
>> touted?
>>
>> If so, Ii recommend scrapping this altogether.  You may think it
>> builds credibility, but the fact you mention Dr. at all suggests it is
>> SPECIAL for a blind person.  But it shouldn't be considered special,
>> but only a matter of course--of course you've got a whole colony of
>> blind doctors!  Even if you don't have that many, it's good to be
>> nonchalant about it.
>>
>> But I can sympathize.  The Deaf community used to make a big deal of
>> the title Dr. but that was back in the 1930s.  Nowadays, Deaf Ph.Ds
>> are common as dirt.
>>
>> But I make this suggestion only from the perspective of language
>> manipulation.  Understatements are better than overstatements.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of LoriStay at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:16 AM
>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Heroes of the blind community
>>
>> Start with the leaders:   Louis Braille, Dr. Jacobus tenBroek, Dr. 
>> Kenneth
>> Jernigan, and many other leaders from NFB.
>> Lori
>> In a message dated 3/31/09 11:59:04 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> >> Who are the biggest legendary figures or heroes of the blind
>>> >> community?
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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